Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #48288
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: "P" ports(was) Progress report from Houston
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:54:54 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
George,
 
Keep in mind that it takes a bunch more heat to weld aluminum than steel.  I feel you risk warping the housing by welding on the aluminum.  The reason I recessed the tube by .020" is to allow for a small radius and cleanup without compromising the weld.  Recess the tube and run a small bead and there will be very little cleanup needed.  Also, the weld only needs to make a seal... there is virtually no load on the inlet tube, so a small bead is all that's necessary.  YMMV
 
Mark  

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:46 PM, George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au> wrote:
 Kelly,
There is little to weld to and less metal when cleaned up after welding and the corner radiased - if I could suggest the method Richard Sohn used, which I think is similar to the Powersport approach i.e. using a flange - OR welding an AL tube to the inner coolant area. Tig welding on both options is advisable.
George ( down under)
Mark,
I have not heard of PL's "Sealing Plates" (must have been after I was excommunicated)........Did
you have any major trouble welding to the steel liner (warpage,etc) and how did you cleanup
welds (machine,grind,etc)??............Do you have any photos you would care to share ?.........I
have a 13B "Cosmo" waiting in the wings for a "P" port conversion.............
 
Thanks,
 
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold



 
-------------- Original message from Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>: --------------

Kelly,
 
Yes, I TIG welded them to the inner liner, then used PL's sealing plates and Ultra Grey RTV to seal off the coolant.  I plan to pressure test them prior to assembly.
 
Mark

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Mark,
  Have you made any decisions on the retension/sealing method for your 20B "P" port inserts ??
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
-------------- Original message from Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>: --------------

Bill,
 
I'm not sure what's changed, but my oil temps are up from what I reported earlier.  I routinely see 220-225 on climbout, then they settle down to 200 in cruise.  Maybe I'm producing more hp now, or maybe the earlier temperature report was not in mid-summer, or possibly my system is not cooling as well as it did earlier.  I'm just glad that I installed TES o-rings throughout. 
My cowl flap initially had an aluminum lip, that protruded into the airstream about 1".  This was a quick and dirty test to see the result.  I couldn't open or close it, it was open all the time.  I have since replaced the 1" lip with a servo-controlled door so I can open/close as desired.  When closed it is the same as a stock cowl.  This is very helpful in cooler climates, not so much during triple-digit Texas summer months.
 
I also added an "airfoil shaped" piece on the firewall directly above the cowl flap opening.  This was done in the hope of helping coax the heated air out of the cowl.  But I didn't detect any great improvement in cooling.  Oh, well.  Next thing I plan on adding is small air dams on each end of the flap door.  The idea here is to promote more efficient airflow out of the cowl flap.  I've heard that these make a big difference.  We'll see.  
 
If you are considering installing a cowl flap, you may want to consider locating it on the side, or possibly install one on each side, back near the firewall.  This would allow you to make the opening larger, and this location may be in a lower pressure area than the bottom, especially during climbout.  Just a thought.
 
Cooling is still marginal in the Texas heat, and it will be worse with the new P-port 20B engine.  So, I may be forced to make some major changes to get the more powerful engine to cool, or else be forced to throttle back during climbout.  I've been considering relocating the radiator from under the engine to the cool side of the engine (fore/aft).  This would allow me to use a slightly larger radiator.  It would clean up the plumbing and significantly shorten the cooling lines too.   
No, I haven't experienced SAG.  But then I'm running Renesis type irridium spark plugs.  I'm at 143 hours now.  Personally, I won't use anything else. 
 
Mark
 


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