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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Vinyl Ester tanks
From: Steve Thomas <glasair2@me.com>
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:49:22 -0700
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He was particularly interested in the rotary, but I'm sure that he  
would be interested regardless.  I'll pass this info. along.

Best Regards,

Steve Thomas
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On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Alain Ouellet wrote:

> Steve,
>
> I am running Lycoming O-320 E2D 150 hp and I can find other engines as
> required.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Alain
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On
> Behalf Of Steve Thomas
> Sent: September 17, 2009 1:34 PM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Vinyl Ester tanks
>
>
> Alain,
>
> What engine are you running?  I will mention you the next time I talk
> to him.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Thomas
> _______________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Alain Ouellet wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> If your fellow is interested to have someone test his fuel in
>> operation.
>>
>> I could probably arrange to have it done, let me know and/or he can
>> contact
>> me
>> thru a direct e-mail and we can go from there.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Alain
>>
>> Alain Ouellet
>> 905-458-5424
>> mailto:aouellet@icecanada.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Steve Thomas
>> Sent: September 17, 2009 9:51 AM
>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Vinyl Ester tanks
>>
>>
>> George,
>>
>> According to the information I have, butanol is not corrosive due to
>> its larger hydrocarbon chain.  Check out the following link:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel
>>
>> I recently spoke with a fellow that is trying to develop a biobutanol
>> factory to produce it from biomass, mostly waste product and not
>> foodstuffs.  He wants me to test his fuel.  Not likely, as flying for
>> the first time has enough uncertainty without adding unnecessary
>> variables.  But, it does have promise.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Steve Thomas
>> _______________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2009, at 12:42 AM, George Lendich wrote:
>>
>>> Steve doesn't it go Methanol, Ethanol, Butanol in the BTU rating -
>>> isn't it still a alcohol and isn't alcohol the thing that kills
>>> epoxy?
>>> George ( down under)
>>>
>>>> (sorry, but the chart mentioned below is too big.  If you want a
>>>> copy, let me know and I'll email direct.)
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but there are many formulations of vinyl ester.  My entire
>>>> airplane is made from vinyl ester, including the wet-wing gas
>>>> tanks.   The formula used from the factory was Derakane 411-45.  I
>>>> switched to  Derakane 411-350 some time later as it was a little
>>>> more viscous and  wetted out better.  It was also easier to get.
>>>> However, if you look  at the attached Derakane Chemical Resistance
>>>> Guide, the 411 series is  not recommended for gasohol
>>>> concentrations greater than 10% ethanol.   Since I cannot do
>>>> anything about my tanks at this point, I am forced  to live with
>>>> the limitations of Derakane 411.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what the specifications are on the fiberglast resins,
>>>> but those who use it ought to know.  For me, E85 is clearly not in
>>>> the  cards. Another possible option is butanol.  There are some who
>>>> are  experimenting with butanol as a 100% replacement for 100LL.
>>>> It has  nearly the same octane rating as 100LL, and about 90% of
>>>> the total  energy, per gallon, of gasoline.  Ethanol only has about
>>>> 60% of the  energy, per gallon, of gasoline.  And butanol does
>>>> require a different  air-fuel ratio.  It is also not corrosive in
>>>> the same way as ethanol.
>>>>
>>>> So, my concern remains.  It looks like using gasohol with a 10%
>>>> lace  of ethanol will be OK.  More than that, I'll be switching to
>>>> 100LL.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Steve Thomas
>>>> _______________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Lynn Hanover wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Or, what are the tanks holding E-85 made out of? About 75% alcohol
>>>>> .All of the underground fuel tanks are now Vinyl Ester.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn E. Hanover
>>>>
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