While there is no question that P porting
will provide more power and its reputation for poor idle (whether deserved or
not) at low rpm does not affect its suitability for our use, I think
there are other considerations. IF you can buy a properly make P port or
have the knowledge and machinery to do it yourself correctly , it might be well
worth doing. However, I have found that approaches designed from
max power out put at high rpm may not always be compatible with longevity or
reliability, factors of most importance in aircraft – so you need to
check into that. I tried a Rotary Racing manifold early on and while it
was probably great for a rotary turning 9000+ rpm, it really performed poorly
at 5000-6000 rpm. Once I replaced it with an intake design from my engine’s
actual operating range – power improved considerably.
I, for one, found that building my own
aircraft and converting a pretty much stock 13B for aircraft use was about all
I could handle back almost 15 years ago. With the knowledge on this list
that is now pretty much a straight forward thing - but still a lot of work.
I fly a 13B rotated 90 deg so that the Plugs are UP – so I am certainly
not against experimenting with the rotary engine.
But, I have know of several folks who
tried P porting own their own and ran into a much bigger challenge than
they had anticipated. For one thing, it turns out the best P port
parameters for aircraft use are different than that used by the all-out
racers. A second thing is some folks have run into challenges in sealing
the coolant galley after cutting the hole in the rotor housing, the interface
to the steel sheath inside the rotor housing also needs to be done correctly as
well. All challenges that can be overcome – but require time and
$$.
So can it be done? – certainly it
can be done. Is it the best approach for what you have in mind – only you
can decide that. But, the more different you are from the stock
engine the more benefit and the more disadvantage you will encounter.
While some early experimenters – Everret Hatch comes to mind (whose
project was sold to PowerSport) who put one in an Rv-4 that Allen Tole? Flew to
a screaming take off and climb out at Sun & Fun – before blowing a
bearing in the PSRU (NOT a RWS PSRU)- showed some initial promises for the P
port in aircraft – But, I have not seen any follow up or growth in that
area for aircraft.
The real question is the benefit worth the
extra effort – I think many have decided the stock engine perhaps with
turbo is the way to go. I think the P port is an elegant approach to
getting more power – but, more of a challenge than I’m interested
in – and it would not do a thing for me given the way I fly.
Naturally the flight environment and needs of others will vary from my
requirements.
Bill Jepson already mentioned the
simplification of the intake (at least space wise) of the intake. It is
also the lightest modification you can make to produce that kind of power as it
should end up weighing a bit less than a stock 13B and certainly less
than a 13B with a Turbo.
So if you are up to the challenge –
go for it, but be aware it is a challenge.
Best Regards
Ed
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of WRJJRS@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009
3:07 PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Three or
two?
Sorry to be contrary, but in my opinion
the ONLY way to go for a flying rotary is P-port. All of the original Power
Sport engines (the Everette Hatch P.S.) ran P-ports. The manifolding for a
P-port engine is vastly easier. In fact Hatch and Steve Beckham built several
engines with P-ports that even ran reverse rotation so they could get proper
propeller rotation with some gearboxes. You can even P-port an Renesis and it
still works. The reason that Mazda isn't P-porting their race cars has nothing
to do with if P-porting is better, it is racing organizations requirements. The
reason for the side port Renesis is for emissions and low RPM fuel economy.
Those are areas that are only important in a CAR. The typical aircraft runs 50%
to 90% ALL THE TIME and P-ports are much better at mid to high RPMS. The Mazda
Le Mans winning engine used P-ports and they were running with a fuel economy
formula. (the fuel was limited) For high output P-ports just work better.
Gonzalo,
A lot of people talk about peripheral porting rotaries but nobody
is doing it with a rotary that they plan to fly behind. If it was such a
good thing, Mazda would be P-Porting their cars. Instead they are going
away even from the peripheral port for the exhaust with the Renesis.
If 200 HP will do it for you the Renesis is the way to go.
This process of putting an alternative engine in a plane is hard enough without
violating the KISS principle.
Put in a Renesis, no turbo, no P-Port.
Bill B
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:57
PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Three or
two?
I don't know if the Renesis has a turbo version, I didn't think it
did. All turbo 13B's require low compression rotors.
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