Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #4758
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: evap core versus radiator
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:21:09 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I agree with Al, Evaporator cores are not designed for the flow of water. Its hard to beat a custom built exchanger provided it is well designed for the proper conditions.  On the other hand for $5-$15 from your local junk yard and a few more $ for welding/brazing on fittings the evaporator cores are hard to beat cost effective wise compared to what you might spend for a custom radiator. Several folks have done flow tests that indicate while they do drop a bit more pressure than a car type radiator normally would, that they still permit plenty of coolant flow.
 
I fly with two in series and have more than adquate cooling for most regimes of flight.  A steep full power climbout on a hot day will push the system to its limits, but otherwise they work just fine for the power an NA 13B is likely to produce.  Now if you are going turbo or otherwise intend to produce over 200HP for extended periods (perhaps using the 2.85 redrive and running 7000 rpm) or going with a 3 rotor, then you need to carefully analyze your cooling needs and indeed the cores may not be up to the job.
 
 So if you want the utlimate in a taylored designed cooling system and feel it is needed then a custom radiator by a reputuably (meaning they understand cooling) builder is the way to go. On the other hand, there are enough aircraft flying with the evaportor cores to show that they will normally do the job for your typical NA 13B installation.
 
Ed Anderson
 
 
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:37 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: evap core versus radiator

Be aware that AC evaporators are designed for much lower flow rate of a completely different fluid.  It is fortunate that some cores make relatively effective coolant radiators.  But before using one you (or someone) should check the pressure drop with the fluid we use; either water of or 50/50 water/EG, at the flow rate you need.  Be particular careful about connecting 2 units in series.

 

A 5/8” dia provides only about 1/3 sq in of x-sectional area for flow.  On a 2-rotor you’ll want flow capability of at least 25 gpm.  In a 5/8 dia opening this is a flow velocity of about 25 ft/sec.  That is high, and results in significant pressure drop.  The pressure drop in an AC core can also be high depending on the design. 

 

Connecting 2 of these in parallel can work, a la Tracy Crook et. al.  Putting all the flow through one (and one that no one has tried before), or two in series is not a good idea, certainly not without doing some flow testing first.

 

Go to Griffin, or other custom radiator vendor with your heat load, coolant and air flow rates, and configuration constraints and have them quote you a radiator. 

 

Just my opinion, of course.

 

Al

 

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: evap core versus radiator

 

Tracy and I are using 5/8" inlets and 3/4" outlets.
4 1/2" is about 1" thicker than what we use.

Finn

sqpilot@earthlink wrote:

Hi, fellow rotary enthusiasts.....I am confused regarding radiator versus evaporator cores. Ed Klepeis can make a radiator for me that measures overall 16 x 10 x 4 1/2, by sandwiching two 2 1/4" thick cores together. Unfortunately, there are two 2" wide tanks on each end, which reduces the cooling fin area to 12" x 10" x 4 1/2".  I calculate that to a total area of around 540.

     I have found an evap. core that measures 9 x 13 1/2 x 4 5/8" thick. I believe that comes out to a total area of around 561. That would fit perfectly in the cowling with even less modifications to inlets, etc. (Read that as less work for me).  I have heard on this forum that evap. cores are a good choice for cooling, as they can take high pressures.  Is there anything else I should consider regarding radiator versus evap core for cooling? Inlet and outlet tubes look to be around 5/8". The core looks just like one from a GM Safari or Astro Van except for the size difference.  I don't know if the 5/8" inlet/outlet tubes would be too restrictive to flow compared to a radiator that would be made with 1" NPT inlet/outlets?  My guess is that once the water gets inside either the evap core or the radiator, flow is going to be restricted by the tubing sizes inside the cooling device  regardless of the inlet/outlet sizes? I know that Ed Anderson, Tracy and others have had success with evap cores.  Any possible pros and cons would be much appreciated.  Thank you for your time and opinions.  Paul Conner

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