X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.125] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with ESMTP id 3786149 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:07:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=71.74.56.125; envelope-from=clouduster@austin.rr.com Received: from [10.0.0.99] (really [66.25.157.35]) by hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090730150709204.XJRB8759@hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:07:09 +0000 Message-ID: <4A71B712.5020304@austin.rr.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:06:58 -0500 From: Dennis Haverlah User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Hot weather flight with Water Miisters for Oil Cooling References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060400000600090700070000" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060400000600090700070000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff: The water injection test system was/is quite heavy because I used a 12V pump and other parts from a recreational vehicle water supply system. Total weight was about 5 #. With a light weight pump the total weight should be 1.5 to 2 # excluding water. I plan on using a 1 gal. water container and probably will install it behind the passengers seat in my RV-7A. Dennis H. Jeff Whaley wrote: > Hi Dennis, I like your results but have a couple of questions. > > Where will the "permanent system" components be installed? Wing-root? > Cabin? FFW? Combination? > > Do you have an estimated total weight of the temporary system components? > > Jeff > > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > On Behalf Of Dennis Haverlah > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:46 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Hot weather flight with Water Miisters for Oil > Cooling > > > > Yesterday it was Hot Again in Central Texas - my EM-2 showed 103 deg > F. I flew my RV-7A to see how well my temporary water spray system > would work. I turned on the water spray just as I started my > take-off. Water and oil temps at take-off were in the upper 170 F > area. I normally take-off and climb at 100 to 120 K/h to about 1000 > feet before my oil temp approaches 220 F. I than throttle back to 22 > - 24 inches MP and continue my climb under reduced power. The water > usually gets to 200 F when the oil is at 220. (My personal limits are > 220 F-Oil and 212 F -water.) The test set-up provided water spray on > the oil cooler only and no water spray on the water radiator. During > the climb the water and oil temps. tracked each other within 2 deg > F.!! This meant the oil temp was reduced by at least 20 deg. F. I > left the engine at full throttle and climbed to 4000 feet while flying > at 115 to 120 kts. indicated. As I reached 4000 ft the water and oil > were at 210 - 211 F and climbing very slowly. > > Reviewing some of my other high temp. day flights it looks like I > reduced my oil temp. 20 + degrees with the water mist spray. Time to > take-off and climb was 5:10 minutes. I only used 8-9 oz. of water > during the climb! > > Attached are pictures of the water system I used for the test. In the > future I may add one or two additional mister nozzles 3 to 4 inches to > the right of the 3 misters used on this test. (See attached > pictures) The additional mister nozzles would give me better > coverage of the right side of the oil cooler and also cool some of the > water radiator surface. > --------------060400000600090700070000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff:

The water injection test system was/is quite heavy because I used a 12V pump and other parts from a recreational vehicle water supply system.  Total weight was about 5 #.  With a light weight pump the total weight should be 1.5 to 2 # excluding water.  I plan on using a 1 gal. water container and probably will install it behind the passengers seat in my RV-7A.

Dennis H.

Jeff Whaley wrote:

Hi Dennis, I like your results but have a couple of questions.

Where will the “permanent system” components be installed? Wing-root? Cabin? FFW? Combination?

Do you have an estimated total weight of the temporary system components?

Jeff

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Haverlah
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:46 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Hot weather flight with Water Miisters for Oil Cooling

 

Yesterday it was Hot Again in Central Texas - my EM-2 showed 103 deg F.  I flew my RV-7A to see how well my temporary water spray system would work.  I turned on the water spray just as I started my take-off.  Water and oil temps at take-off were in the upper 170 F area.  I normally take-off and climb at 100 to 120 K/h to about 1000 feet before my oil temp approaches 220 F.  I than throttle back to 22 - 24 inches MP and continue my climb under reduced power.   The water usually gets to 200 F when the oil is at 220.  (My personal limits are 220 F-Oil and 212 F -water.)  The test set-up provided water spray on the oil cooler only and no water spray on the water radiator.  During the climb the water and oil temps. tracked each other within 2 deg F.!!   This meant the oil temp was reduced by at least 20 deg. F.  I left the engine at full throttle and climbed to 4000 feet while flying at 115 to 120 kts. indicated.  As I reached 4000 ft the water and oil were at 210 - 211 F and climbing very slowly.

Reviewing some of my other high temp. day flights it looks like I reduced my oil temp. 20 + degrees with the water mist spray.  Time to take-off and climb was 5:10 minutes.  I only used 8-9 oz. of water during the climb! 

Attached are pictures of the water system I used for the test.  In the future I may add one or two additional mister nozzles 3 to 4 inches to the right of the 3 misters used on this test.  (See attached pictures)   The additional mister nozzles would give me better coverage of the right side of the oil cooler and also cool some of the water radiator surface.

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