X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net ([68.230.241.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with ESMTP id 3783260 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:02:16 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.40; envelope-from=alventures@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090728060138.PAZP25927.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:01:38 -0400 Received: from BigAl ([72.192.133.78]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id MJ1f1c0011hf1Cg03J1fJf; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:01:39 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=ik0lvTGKAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=HVGZSK3cASbAes11C8QA:9 a=5qBac-50k8AlkxyyhboA:7 a=YZQP4seP9VspcembFN4Nk1pwtisA:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=qpNUr_1ZfDk6lBVj:21 a=KgGFr25gnWOcfn-w:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: Jet Hot Exhaust Coating Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:03:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcoPPjqoRVI2fXEySZaEA32l8W2lzwAER4og X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 As I have posted on this list before; doing some relatively simple heat transfer calculations will tell you that putting these coatings on the outside surface of the exhaust can reduce the temps by less than 1%. Coating the inside will make a larger difference initially because of = the lower emissivity; possible as much as 5%, but after some buildup of = exhaust products, the difference will be about the same as coating the outside. Anyone telling you it will reduce the temp by 65% is blowing smoke, and hasn't the faintest idea of reality. The coatings make the exhaust look nice, and will inhibit corrosion on carbon steel systems, especially on the inside; but on SS system they = are pretty much a waste of money. Ok; it's just my opinion. Al G -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike Wills Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:45 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake filter box & Jet Hot Exhaust Coating My exhaust is coated in and out with a 2000 degree coating. Its holding = up=20 OK, but I wouldnt rely on it to keep the heat off of nearby components. = I=20 have a stainless heatshield around a large portion of the exhaust and I = have a self adhesive fiberglass heat shielding material applied in various = places like the inside of the cowl. In places not protected by the heatshield, = the=20 adhesive has gotten hot enough to release. I also have a couple of = painted=20 parts fairly close to the exhaust that have gotten hot enough for the = paint=20 to burn. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Ben Schneider" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:54 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Intake filter box & Jet Hot Exhaust Coating > > Thanks for the kind words. Let me answer some of the questions. The = intake > filter box has a K&N filter inside, and a butterfly valve for ram air = that > bypasses through the center of the filter. It also has a spring loaded = > door that would suck open in the event of the opening being plugged. = That=20 > is why the odd shaped top. > The pictures of the exhaust are pretty old. In the one picture, the=20 > exhaust had not yet been sent to the coater. I guess I should also add = > that the coating is not actually Jet Hot coating as I have been = calling=20 > it, (common trade name) It was actually done by High Performance = Coatings=20 > (www.hpcoatings.com) It is their equivalent to the Jet Hot. Supposed = to be > good up to 2000 degrees, and supposedly reduces surface temperatures = as=20 > much as 65%. I am wondering if that is true or just sales propaganda?=20 > Guess I'll find out. > The muffler is an Aeroturbine muffler, all stainless, 2 1/2" inlet = and=20 > outlet. Don't have any idea if it will blow apart, quite the thing, or = > just increase drag. Yet another unknown. Ahh, the life of an=20 > experimenter.... > > ;) > > Will be off line for a few days, headed to OSH. Hope to see some of = you=20 > there. > > Ben > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub:=20 > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >=20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html