X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from securemail.ever-tek.com ([64.129.170.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with ESMTP id 3782785 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:25:18 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@bellairepolice.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:23:31 -0500 From: "Chris Barber" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....but think anyway. To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" , "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....but think anyway. Thread-Index: AcoO601lKZfhyYPYTmWcM3Q2gVKZzAAFS/1j References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA0F00.ADFD4EDA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA0F00.ADFD4EDA Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy, =20 I hate to even ask, as I gotta still go out and test the serial wires, ho= wever, is there a way...uh, simple way for us non EE types to check if I = blew the thing again? TIA. =20 Chris =20 Cpl. Christopher Barber, JD Badge 330 Bellaire Police Department 5110 Jessamine Bellaire, Texas 77401 =20 713-668-0487 713-662-8289 fax =20 CBarber@BellairePolice.com ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Tracy Crook Sent: Mon 7/27/2009 1:50 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....but think anyway. If the serial data link between the EC2 and EM2 is blown (by a missing g= round or other reason) as indicated by the NOP flashing in the EM2 TACH = window, it means that the EM2 and EC2 can no longer communicate each othe= r. If they can no longer communicate, that means the EM2/3 can not possibly = know or display what is in the EC2/3 MAP table. So, at this point you = should not conclude that the MAP table is blown, corrupted, blank, etc. Tracy On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Christopher Barber wrote: I turned on the EC2/EM2 last night and as expected the NOP is flashing a= t me, laughing at my meager attempts to get my airplane airborne. Also, = I checked out the MAP and everything is flat-lined. All the bars are all = the way down at the bottom. Normally, my engine runs well with all bars = in the middle (at 0). I did not look at the actual numbers, but I think = it must be -127 (is that right). I saw everything down at the bottom, an= d went back to sanding my cowlings and wheel pants.....for now. =09 I guess I will try to reset to factory defaults (which is where it has b= een running well so far) tonight. See if it even takes the reset. = In the past, the NOP meant a trip back to Tracy. (plus t= rying to figure out the why (broken ground???....but what else, if any) <= even heavier sigh> =09 All the best, =09 Chris=20 Bill Bradburry wrote: =09 Chris, =09 Even if the wire was not completely separated, it was probably only con= nected by a couple of strands and as it moved (vibrated?) maybe some of t= he other strands made contact from time to time causing no telling what k= ind of intermittent effects. Lucky for you, it finally fell apart and yo= u found it. =09 Bill B=20 =20 -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - =09 *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = *On Behalf Of *Chris Barber *Sent:* Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:26 PM *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... =09 Perhaps the cause of many problems, however, the broken wire was NOT br= oken two weeks ago when I rewired the ECU and got it running so well. I = just happened to notice it right off yesterday (gee, what are the odds of= me finding something on the first thing I happened to check. Guessin' t= hat will be the last time). =09 =20 I had to walk away yesterday, take a breath and focused on some micro f= ill and sanding I needed to do. I at least FELT a bit productive in spite= of the demoralizing impact. I hate the idea of sending the unit back to= Tracy again. He may have had it more than I have. =09 =20 I will play with the sanding stuff tonight and get back to the engine d= irectly. I will be checking the MAP table first, but the NOP is what rea= lly concerns/bothers me. I am guessing the bad ground could have been th= e cause, however, the NOP did NOT go away after I found the bad ground. = I fear it may have trashed my serial circuit again. Donno, just speculat= ion at this point. Trying to keep a stiff upper lip =09 =20 All the best, =09 =20 Chris =09 Houston =09 =20 Cpl. Christopher Barber, JD =09 Badge 330 =09 Bellaire Police Department =09 5110 Jessamine =09 Bellaire, Texas 77401 =09 =20 713-668-0487 =09 713-662-8289 fax =09 =20 CBarber@BellairePolice.com =09 =20 -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - =09 *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Bill Bradburry *Sent:* Sun 7/26/2009 2:03 PM *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... =09 Chris, I would be surprised if you didn't just solve a whole passel of problem= s with your EC-2. There is not telling what that cut ground connection w= as doing over the past. High resistance, intermittent, open..who knows. Fixing this should make your EC-2 much more solid. Bill B =09 -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Barber Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:08 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... =09 Thanks guys. I wrote NOS...course, I meant NOP. =09 Hmmm, Al, I considered a second ground but was concerned that it may ca= use a problem I would be unaware of. Another testament to my ignorance, but learning and better everyday. I shall see what I can do. =09 I think I may have over crimped this particular connector. When I exam= ined it, it seemed more cut than crimped. Donno what caused that. I use a r= atchet crimper and have not had problems before, however, most of my previous crimps were 20 gage and not 16, so I will check the tool an= d my process. =09 There was no strain on this particular wire. It is the very short grou= nd Tracy recommend, IIRC, to be shorter than 12 inches. I relocated my EC= U to accommodate this instruction. =09 =09 All the best, =09 Chris Houston =09 Bob White wrote: > I agree, also if the wire can vibrate, do something to restrain it > better. > > Bob W. > > On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:12:25 -0500 > Dave wrote: > > >> Sounds like some strain relief is in order. >> >> Al Wick wrote: >> >>> Oem solution for broken wire is brilliant. They use more than= one >>> wire for both ground and power. Huge improvement in reliability. >>> >>> -al wick >>> >>> >>> I looked at the wires to the ECU and all was secure, EXCEPT, I >>> notice my >>> main (16gage) ground wire broke at the connector at the ECU. >>> Repaired >>> the wire. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > > > =20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html =09 =09 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/L= ist.html =09 =09 Warning: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous= e-mails attached to it, may contain confidential information that is leg= ally privileged. 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Sent: Mo= n 7/27/2009 1:50 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject= : [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....but think anyway.

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 If the serial data link between the EC2 and EM2 is blown = (by a missing ground or other reason) as indicated by the NOP flashing in= the EM2  TACH window, it means that the EM2 and EC2 can no longer c= ommunicate each other.

If they can no longer communicate, that mea= ns the EM2/3 can not possibly know or display what is in the EC2/3 MAP ta= ble.   So,  at this point you should not conclude that the= MAP table is blown, corrupted, blank, etc.

Tracy

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On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Christopher Barber <CBarber@te= xasattorney.net> wrote:
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I turned on the EC2/EM2 last night and as expec= ted the NOP is flashing at me, laughing at my meager attempts to get my a= irplane airborne.  Also, I checked out the MAP and everything is fla= t-lined. All the bars are all the way down at the bottom.  Normally,= my engine runs well with all bars in the middle (at 0).  I did not = look at the actual numbers, but I think it must be -127 (is that right). =  I saw everything down at the bottom, and went back to sanding my co= wlings and wheel pants.....for now.

I guess I will try to reset to= factory defaults (which is where it has been running well so far) tonigh= t.  See if it even takes the reset. <sigh>  In the past, = the NOP meant a trip back to Tracy. <heavier sigh> (plus trying to = figure out the why (broken ground???....but what else, if any) <even h= eavier sigh>

All the best,

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Chris,

Even if the wire was = not completely separated, it was probably only connected by a couple of s= trands and as it moved (vibrated?) maybe some of the other strands made c= ontact from time to time causing no telling what kind of intermittent eff= ects.  Lucky for you, it finally fell apart and you found it.
Bill B
 
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*From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net] *On Behalf Of *Chris Barber
*Sent:* Sunday, July = 26, 2009 4:26 PM
*To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
*Subject:* [FlyRot= ary] Re: Just livid.....

Perhaps the cause of many problems, howev= er, the broken wire was NOT broken two weeks ago when I rewired the ECU a= nd got it running so well.  I just happened to notice it right off y= esterday (gee, what are the odds of me finding something on the first thi= ng I happened to check.  Guessin' that will be the last time<g>= ;).

 
I had to walk away yesterday, take a breath and focu= sed on some micro fill and sanding I needed to do. I at least FELT a bit = productive in spite of the demoralizing impact.  I hate the idea of = sending the unit back to Tracy again.  He may have had it more than = I have.

 
I will play with the sanding stuff tonight and g= et back to the engine directly.  I will be checking the MAP table fi= rst, but the NOP is what really concerns/bothers me.  I am guessing = the bad ground could have been the cause, however, the NOP did NOT go awa= y after I found the bad ground.  I fear it may have trashed my seria= l circuit again.  Donno, just speculation at this point. <sigh>= ; Trying to keep a stiff upper lip <g>

 
All the bes= t,

 
Chris

Houston

 
Cpl. Christophe= r Barber, JD

Badge 330

Bellaire Police Department

51= 10 Jessamine

Bellaire, Texas 77401

 
713-668-0487
713-662-8289 fax

 
CBarber@BellairePolice.com
 
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*From:* Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Bill Bra= dburry
*Sent:* Sun 7/26/2009 2:03 PM
*To:* Rotary motors in aircraf= t
*Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....

Chris,
I would = be surprised if you didn't just solve a whole passel of problems
with = your EC-2.  There is not telling what that cut ground connection was=
doing over the past.  High resistance, intermittent, open..who k= nows.
Fixing this should make your EC-2 much more solid.
Bill B
=
-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto= :flyrotary= @lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Christopher Barber
Sent: Sunda= y, July 26, 2009 2:08 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [Fl= yRotary] Re: Just livid.....

Thanks guys. I wrote NOS...course, I = meant NOP.

Hmmm, Al, I considered a second ground but was concerne= d that it may cause a
problem I would be unaware of.  Another tes= tament to my ignorance, but
learning and better everyday.  I shal= l see what I can do.

I think I may have over crimped this particul= ar connector.  When I examined
it, it seemed more cut than crimpe= d.  Donno what caused that. I use a ratchet crimper and have not had= problems before, however, most of
my previous crimps were 20 gage and= not 16, so I will check the tool and my
process.

There was no = strain on this particular wire.  It is the very short ground
Trac= y recommend, IIRC, to be shorter than 12 inches.  I relocated my ECU= to
accommodate this instruction.

<sigh>

All the b= est,

Chris
Houston

Bob White wrote:
> I agree, als= o if the wire can vibrate, do something to restrain it
> better.>
> Bob W.
>
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:12:25 -0500> Dave <david.staten@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  >> Sou= nds like some strain relief is in order.
>>
>> Al Wick = wrote:
>>    >>> Oem solution for broken wire= is brilliant. They use more than one
>>> wire for both groun= d and power. Huge improvement in reliability.
>>> >>>= ; -al wick
>>>
>>>
>>>     = I looked at the wires to the ECU and all was secure, EXCEPT, I
>>= ;>     notice my
>>>     main (16gage)= ground wire broke at the connector at the ECU.
>>>   &n= bsp; Repaired
>>>     the wire.
>>>
= >>>     >>>
>>>     &nb= sp;>> --
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