X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com ([209.85.221.182] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with ESMTP id 3782607 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:51:34 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.221.182; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so4018650qyk.7 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:50:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Kj5c0wPD5GRcnjuGCwKQX9XfqWiCeNedPdadO4Rj9NQ=; b=mvAKO8/wfbe2LwJoriBXA0f4usyd/DZ6QxC3/DPsAGMM068HKw/FtLepVZn7qx2qtr rd39FM1b1/MeFIZx8IdvyWzCL3vFrlWgiC5UqAfVzY8iKUqnOWJsWrtaKswnwa+r4oBR IVUHRZuv/02flXPaL/5d9l2w4Cjx+swlQ7qpw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=RjcnQ+8Jo3pviWA19KVAh/k/+yfMjVSwmzDlWqsuuII3VOUsO+gmNgfcRJYVVCDdwx xF41dUAvtp4ig6lGWH0D90CyKyTQLG9KclZpMBBDFmW8wpZLaJv/SBiZKkrJFD46keXI bb/hOv6YN/DhqEeRQNqFqNH/iibUkVGfiN6A4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.45.196 with SMTP id g4mr6442711qaf.16.1248720659077; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:50:59 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 726400a4b6ad13ab Message-ID: <1b4b137c0907271150n412c0967ud871ca7ffa06ee6b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....but think anyway. From: Tracy Crook To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb04e4eda59046fb46f60 --0015175cb04e4eda59046fb46f60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the serial data link between the EC2 and EM2 is blown (by a missing ground or other reason) as indicated by the NOP flashing in the EM2 TACH window, it means that the EM2 and EC2 can no longer communicate each other. If they can no longer communicate, that means the EM2/3 can not possibly know or display what is in the EC2/3 MAP table. So, at this point you should not conclude that the MAP table is blown, corrupted, blank, etc. Tracy On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Christopher Barber < CBarber@texasattorney.net> wrote: > I turned on the EC2/EM2 last night and as expected the NOP is flashing at > me, laughing at my meager attempts to get my airplane airborne. Also, I > checked out the MAP and everything is flat-lined. All the bars are all the > way down at the bottom. Normally, my engine runs well with all bars in the > middle (at 0). I did not look at the actual numbers, but I think it must be > -127 (is that right). I saw everything down at the bottom, and went back to > sanding my cowlings and wheel pants.....for now. > > I guess I will try to reset to factory defaults (which is where it has been > running well so far) tonight. See if it even takes the reset. In > the past, the NOP meant a trip back to Tracy. (plus trying to > figure out the why (broken ground???....but what else, if any) sigh> > > All the best, > > Chris > > > Bill Bradburry wrote: > >> >> Chris, >> >> Even if the wire was not completely separated, it was probably only >> connected by a couple of strands and as it moved (vibrated?) maybe some of >> the other strands made contact from time to time causing no telling what >> kind of intermittent effects. Lucky for you, it finally fell apart and you >> found it. >> >> Bill B >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] >> *On Behalf Of *Chris Barber >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:26 PM >> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... >> >> Perhaps the cause of many problems, however, the broken wire was NOT >> broken two weeks ago when I rewired the ECU and got it running so well. I >> just happened to notice it right off yesterday (gee, what are the odds of me >> finding something on the first thing I happened to check. Guessin' that >> will be the last time). >> >> >> I had to walk away yesterday, take a breath and focused on some micro fill >> and sanding I needed to do. I at least FELT a bit productive in spite of the >> demoralizing impact. I hate the idea of sending the unit back to Tracy >> again. He may have had it more than I have. >> >> >> I will play with the sanding stuff tonight and get back to the engine >> directly. I will be checking the MAP table first, but the NOP is what >> really concerns/bothers me. I am guessing the bad ground could have been >> the cause, however, the NOP did NOT go away after I found the bad ground. I >> fear it may have trashed my serial circuit again. Donno, just speculation >> at this point. Trying to keep a stiff upper lip >> >> >> All the best, >> >> >> Chris >> >> Houston >> >> >> Cpl. Christopher Barber, JD >> >> Badge 330 >> >> Bellaire Police Department >> >> 5110 Jessamine >> >> Bellaire, Texas 77401 >> >> >> 713-668-0487 >> >> 713-662-8289 fax >> >> >> CBarber@BellairePolice.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Bill Bradburry >> *Sent:* Sun 7/26/2009 2:03 PM >> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... >> >> Chris, >> I would be surprised if you didn't just solve a whole passel of problems >> with your EC-2. There is not telling what that cut ground connection was >> doing over the past. High resistance, intermittent, open..who knows. >> Fixing this should make your EC-2 much more solid. >> Bill B >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On >> Behalf Of Christopher Barber >> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:08 PM >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid..... >> >> Thanks guys. I wrote NOS...course, I meant NOP. >> >> Hmmm, Al, I considered a second ground but was concerned that it may cause >> a >> problem I would be unaware of. Another testament to my ignorance, but >> learning and better everyday. I shall see what I can do. >> >> I think I may have over crimped this particular connector. When I >> examined >> it, it seemed more cut than crimped. Donno what caused that. I use a >> ratchet crimper and have not had problems before, however, most of >> my previous crimps were 20 gage and not 16, so I will check the tool and >> my >> process. >> >> There was no strain on this particular wire. It is the very short ground >> Tracy recommend, IIRC, to be shorter than 12 inches. I relocated my ECU >> to >> accommodate this instruction. >> >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Chris >> Houston >> >> Bob White wrote: >> > I agree, also if the wire can vibrate, do something to restrain it >> > better. >> > >> > Bob W. >> > >> > On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:12:25 -0500 >> > Dave wrote: >> > >> > >> Sounds like some strain relief is in order. >> >> >> >> Al Wick wrote: >> >> >>> Oem solution for broken wire is brilliant. They use more than >> one >> >>> wire for both ground and power. Huge improvement in reliability. >> >>> >>> -al wick >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I looked at the wires to the ECU and all was secure, EXCEPT, I >> >>> notice my >> >>> main (16gage) ground wire broke at the connector at the ECU. >> >>> Repaired >> >>> the wire. >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> -- >> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> > >> > >> > >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> >> Warning: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous >> e-mails attached to it, may contain confidential information that is legally >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible >> for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that >> any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information >> contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you >> have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by >> telephone at 713-662-8132 and destroy the original transmission and its >> attachments without reading them. Thank you. >> >> > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > --0015175cb04e4eda59046fb46f60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0If the serial data link between the EC2 and EM2 is blown (by a missing g= round or other reason) as indicated by the NOP flashing in the EM2=A0 TACH = window, it means that the EM2 and EC2 can no longer communicate each other.=

If they can no longer communicate, that means the EM2/3 can not possibl= y know or display what is in the EC2/3 MAP table.=A0=A0 So,=A0 at this poin= t you should not conclude that the MAP table is blown, corrupted, blank, et= c.

Tracy

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:09 PM= , Christopher Barber <CBarber@texasattorney.net> wrote:
I turned on the EC2/EM2 last night and as expected the NOP is flashing at m= e, laughing at my meager attempts to get my airplane airborne. =A0Also, I c= hecked out the MAP and everything is flat-lined. All the bars are all the w= ay down at the bottom. =A0Normally, my engine runs well with all bars in th= e middle (at 0). =A0I did not look at the actual numbers, but I think it mu= st be -127 (is that right). =A0I saw everything down at the bottom, and wen= t back to sanding my cowlings and wheel pants.....for now.

I guess I will try to reset to factory defaults (which is where it has been= running well so far) tonight. =A0See if it even takes the reset. <sigh&= gt; =A0In the past, the NOP meant a trip back to Tracy. <heavier sigh>= ; (plus trying to figure out the why (broken ground???....but what else, if= any) <even heavier sigh>

All the best,

Chris


Bill Bradburry wrote:

Chris,

Even if the wire was not completely separated, it was probably only connect= ed by a couple of strands and as it moved (vibrated?) maybe some of the oth= er strands made contact from time to time causing no telling what kind of i= ntermittent effects. =A0Lucky for you, it finally fell apart and you found = it.

Bill B
=A0
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*From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *On Behalf= Of *Chris Barber
*Sent:* Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:26 PM
*To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
*Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....

Perhaps the cause of many problems, however, the broken wire was NOT broken= two weeks ago when I rewired the ECU and got it running so well. =A0I just= happened to notice it right off yesterday (gee, what are the odds of me fi= nding something on the first thing I happened to check. =A0Guessin' tha= t will be the last time<g>).

=A0
I had to walk away yesterday, take a breath and focused on some micro fill = and sanding I needed to do. I at least FELT a bit productive in spite of th= e demoralizing impact. =A0I hate the idea of sending the unit back to Tracy= again. =A0He may have had it more than I have.

=A0
I will play with the sanding stuff tonight and get back to the engine direc= tly. =A0I will be checking the MAP table first, but the NOP is what really = concerns/bothers me. =A0I am guessing the bad ground could have been the ca= use, however, the NOP did NOT go away after I found the bad ground. =A0I fe= ar it may have trashed my serial circuit again. =A0Donno, just speculation = at this point. <sigh> Trying to keep a stiff upper lip <g>

=A0
All the best,

=A0
Chris

Houston

=A0
Cpl. Christopher Barber, JD

Badge 330

Bellaire Police Department

5110 Jessamine

Bellaire, Texas 77401

=A0
713-668-0487

713-662-8289 fax

=A0
CBarber@BellairePolice.com

=A0
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*From:* Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Bill Bradburry
*Sent:* Sun 7/26/2009 2:03 PM
*To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
*Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....

Chris,
I would be surprised if you didn't just solve a whole passel of problem= s
with your EC-2. =A0There is not telling what that cut ground connection was=
doing over the past. =A0High resistance, intermittent, open..who knows.
Fixing this should make your EC-2 much more solid.
Bill B

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Christopher Barber
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:08 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Just livid.....

Thanks guys. I wrote NOS...course, I meant NOP.

Hmmm, Al, I considered a second ground but was concerned that it may cause = a
problem I would be unaware of. =A0Another testament to my ignorance, but learning and better everyday. =A0I shall see what I can do.

I think I may have over crimped this particular connector. =A0When I examin= ed
it, it seemed more cut than crimped. =A0Donno what caused that. I use a rat= chet crimper and have not had problems before, however, most of
my previous crimps were 20 gage and not 16, so I will check the tool and my=
process.

There was no strain on this particular wire. =A0It is the very short ground=
Tracy recommend, IIRC, to be shorter than 12 inches. =A0I relocated my ECU = to
accommodate this instruction.

<sigh>

All the best,

Chris
Houston

Bob White wrote:
> I agree, also if the wire can vibrate, do something to restrain it
> better.
>
> Bob W.
>
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:12:25 -0500
> Dave <d= avid.staten@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =A0>> Sounds like some strain relief is in order.
>>
>> Al Wick wrote:
>> =A0 =A0>>> Oem solution for broken wire is brilliant. The= y use more than one
>>> wire for both ground and power. Huge improvement in reliabilit= y.
>>> >>> -al wick
>>>
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0 I looked at the wires to the ECU and all was secure, E= XCEPT, I
>>> =A0 =A0 notice my
>>> =A0 =A0 main (16gage) ground wire broke at the connector at th= e ECU.
>>> =A0 =A0 Repaired
>>> =A0 =A0 the wire.
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0 >>>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0>> --
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