X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3742304 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:23:13 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.48; envelope-from=gregw@onestopdesign.biz Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id At4Y1c00c16AWCUA5tNcf6; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:22:36 +0000 Received: from osd1 ([24.6.75.252]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AtNb1c0045ScAtC8StNbdt; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:22:36 +0000 Message-ID: <92916DE1633645B589CDF80F92006C8C@yosemite.onestopdesign.biz> From: "Greg Ward" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:33:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0180_01C9FA9C.02EEB3D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C9FA9C.02EEB3D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I said I don't really mean to Bob, I meant that if all was well, I = wouldn't be saying this "crap". All is not well in this climate of = "change", and as an airman with substantial investment in my aircraft, = engine, and training, not to mention my freedom, I think this is the = perfect place to bring this "crap" to light. Greg Ward Lancair 20B in Progress, and with NO smog saving attachments on my 450 = H.P. fire-breathing 20B, nor will there be. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Earley=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:17 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo Greg, If you "don't really mean to", THEN DON'T!=20 You gotta know by now that this is not the place for this crap. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Greg Ward=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:51 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We are in deep doo-doo Don't really mean to get into politics on this list, but you all = need to look at Section 276 of the manager's Amendment of this nightmare = bill that just passed the Congress, = http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090626/hr2454_managerssummary= .pdf It will affect all of us if this passes. Greg Ward Lancair 20B in progress ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steven Boese=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: frustrating couple of days Mike, =20 I have developed a system where it is possible to observe and = record once per second about 20 parameters that the EC2 is using. It = has proven useful to me to understand the workings of the EC2 and may be = useful in diagnosing what is happening with your system. It requires = either a laptop with a serial interface or a USB to serial adapter, or = an IPAQ with a serial interface. A voltage level converter which = converts the 5 V EC2 signals to RS232 levels and costs about $20 is also = required. If the EC2 is accessible and a 1-inch long connector can be = inserted between the EC2 and the existing connector, no wiring changes = are required. If you are interested in trying this system, let me know, = and I=92ll send you a CD with the software and instructions. =20 =20 Steve Boese =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike Wills Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:10 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] frustrating couple of days =20 I havent flown my RV since a couple of cases of lost data in the = EC2 back in february. Spent the last few months making a bunch of mods, = some suggested by Tracy, others were things that I thought might = increase long term reliability. Also had to fix leaking fuel tanks in = the ensuing period. =20 Been working up toward renewing flight testing. Engine has been = running really well for the last few months. Thought that the problem = was cured, though not clear how. Then on saturday found that once again = my B controller had lost all data. Engine wouldnt run at any throttle = setting on B. Restored the B controller by copying A > B. =20 Last night after work ground ran the engine for about 30 minutes = at various throttle settings and it ran as good as always. Also ran fine = on the B controller. =20 Tonight after work I fired it up. Ran fine initially. After about = 15 minutes noted some minor surging at a couple of throttle settings = below 2000 RPM. Also noticed that in this RPM range where the mixture = had previously been fine, my mixture monitor is off the scale lean. = Slowly got worse, to the point that it wouldnt idle at what was = previously a solid 1350RPM. Couldnt get it to run at all below 1500, = everything between 1500 and about 3000 RPM pretty rough. Everything over = 3000 is fine. No idea what caused this change. I put the airplane away = and walked away in disgust. I'm back to where I was a year ago and I'm = just about fed up with this thing. =20 Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus = signature database 4203 (20090701) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C9FA9C.02EEB3D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When I said I don't really mean to Bob, I = meant that=20 if all was well, I wouldn't be saying this "crap".  All is not well = in this=20 climate of "change", and as an airman with substantial investment in my=20 aircraft, engine, and training, not to mention my freedom, I think this = is the=20 perfect place to bring this "crap" to light.
Greg Ward
Lancair 20B in Progress, and with NO smog = saving=20 attachments on my 450 H.P. fire-breathing 20B, nor will there=20 be.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob=20 Earley
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 = 4:17=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We are = in deep=20 doo-doo

Greg,
 
If you "don't really mean to", THEN = DON'T!=20
 
You gotta know by now that this is = not the place=20 for this crap.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Greg=20 Ward
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, = 2009 1:51=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: We = are in deep=20 doo-doo

Don't really mean to get into politics = on this=20 list, but you all need to look at Section 276 of the manager's = Amendment of=20 this nightmare bill that just passed the Congress, http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090626/hr2454_m= anagerssummary.pdf =20 It will affect all of us if this passes.
Greg Ward
Lancair 20B in = progress
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Steven = Boese=20
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, = 2009 9:39=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = frustrating=20 couple of days

Mike,

 

I have = developed=20 a system where it is possible to observe and record once per = second about=20 20 parameters that the EC2 is using. =20 It has proven useful to me to understand the workings of = the EC2=20 and may be useful in diagnosing what is happening with your = system.  It requires either a = laptop with a=20 serial interface or a USB to serial adapter, or an IPAQ with a = serial=20 interface.  A = voltage level=20 converter which converts the 5 V EC2 signals to RS232 levels and = costs=20 about $20 is also required. =20 If the EC2 is accessible and a 1-inch long connector can be = inserted between the EC2 and the existing connector, no wiring = changes are=20 required.  If you = are=20 interested in trying this system, let me know, and I=92ll send you = a CD with=20 the software and instructions. =20

 

Steve = Boese

  

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike = Wills
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, = 2009 10:10=20 PM
To: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] frustrating couple of days

 

I = havent flown my=20 RV since a couple of cases of lost data in the EC2 back in = february. Spent=20 the last few months making a bunch of mods, some suggested by = Tracy,=20 others were things that I thought might increase long term = reliability.=20 Also had to fix leaking fuel tanks in the ensuing=20 period.

 

Been = working up=20 toward renewing flight testing. Engine has been running really = well for=20 the last few months. Thought that the problem was cured, though = not clear=20 how. Then on saturday found that once again my B controller = had lost=20 all data. Engine wouldnt run at any throttle setting on B. = Restored the B=20 controller by copying A > B.

 

Last = night after=20 work ground ran the engine for about 30 minutes at various = throttle=20 settings and it ran as good as always. Also ran fine on the B=20 controller.

 

Tonight after=20 work I fired it up. Ran fine initially. After about 15 minutes = noted some=20 minor surging at a couple of throttle settings below 2000 RPM. = Also=20 noticed that in this RPM range where the mixture had previously = been fine,=20 my mixture monitor is off the scale lean. Slowly got worse, = to the=20 point that it wouldnt idle at what was previously a solid 1350RPM. = Couldnt=20 get it to run at all below 1500, everything between 1500 and about = 3000=20 RPM pretty rough. Everything over 3000 is fine. No idea what = caused this=20 change. I put the airplane away and walked away in disgust. I'm = back to=20 where I was a year ago and I'm just about fed up with this=20 thing.

 

Mike=20 Wills

RV-4=20 = N144MW



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