X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3688029 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:29:13 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from computername ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090619112835456.EJUY19511@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:28:35 +0000 From: "Ed Anderson" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: 295cc vs 495 cc was [FlyRotary] responses to responses, not developing full power Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:28:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acnwgq5zL4V6cCKjR5eZzRWCzPQKVgATK/PA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-Id: <20090619112835456.EJUY19511@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> Don, if you are using stock Renesis (295 cc primary/495 cc secondary), then I am not surprised you find the running rough when switching to just the secondary. Here is why. Once you tune the EC2 to idle/low rpm - you are doing it before the EC2 stages, therefore the Ec2 is opening only the 295cc primary injectors and you have tuned your engine (presumably) to run well at idle on the primary injectors. When you switch the primary injectors off and secondary injectors on - the EC2 is still providing the same pulse duration (assuming engine manifold pressure, etc are the same) for the almost twice as large secondary injectors as it did for the smaller primary injectors. Ergo, you are feeding the engine almost twice the fuel (for the same engine conditions) as you did when on the primary injectors. The engine is choking on too much fuel. Those of use with the older 13Bs which basically had the same size injectors in primary and secondary roles OR those using the Renesis who have replaced the smaller 295 cc with the larger size secondary (which once again means having same size injectors in both positions) can switch from primary to secondary as the pulse duration is injecting essentially the same amount of fuel regardless of which pair you have turned on. Since Many of us have found that the 13B will produce almost full power on a single pair of 460/550 cc/min injectors - I personally favor replacing the smaller 295 cc/min injectors with larger injectors. Although two 295 cc/min injectors will probably keep you airborne - its nice to have the option of running on either pair. But, as I said that is just my personal preference. It sounds to me like the rough running on only secondary, the varying EGT, etc, smacks of too much fuel for the operating conditions. Try leaning it more - you can't hurt the engine. Let us know how it goes Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Don Wallker Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:07 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] responses to responses, not developing full power __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com