Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #45749
From: Mike Wills <rv-4mike@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Forced landings
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:41:57 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Al,
 
 I understand and agree with what you are saying regarding the experimental nature of these one off installations. But if you dont compare them to the norm, what do you compare them to? I guarantee you that is what the LyCont flyers are comparing them to.
 
 For that matter we all do that too. I guarantee you there isnt a person on this list who hasnt said at one time or another that they chose to go with this engine because it is better than a certified engine in some respect. Cant have it both ways.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Forced landings

 

 

. I flew an RV-6A with a 160 Lyc for several hundred hours over 4 years, incident free. The stuff you noted below may not have required a precautionary landing or resulted in a forced landing, but they were failures none the less.

 Mike Wills

Mike;

I’m sure what you say is true; but I also baulked at your comparison to the certified engine, in this case.  My view is that anyone undertaking what is essentially a one-off alternative engine installation must realize, and accept, at the outset that in the first couple hundred hours the probability of a forced landing issue is likely higher than it would be with a certified engine. If not, that person would best pursue a different course of action.  There is good reason why the FAA requires us to have 40 hr phase I testing. Yeah; adding ‘experimental’ engine to ‘experimental’ aircraft is not a decision to be taken lightly.

That realization is a driving force for us doing this to look hard and long at each unproven thing we do in our installations until we are confident that it will do the job. And certainly that includes learning from others experience on a forum like this.

The reason we are willing to take that risk is to have something better in the long run. And among those ‘better’ factors of performance, lower initial and operating costs, ease of maintenance; etc. is comparable or better reliability.  I find it somewhat mind boggling that after 50 years and a million hours there are still so many failures in certified engines.

 

And, I think, not to be overlooked, is the challenge and the sense of accomplishment. How do you measure the value of that? It is the driving force that has driven explorers and experimenters for un-told millennia.

 

Al G.

 

 

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