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ed
in this market i do not think it will sell so if i pass my medical next month i'm going to do a condition inspection on it and build my 10 hrs high performance time my DAR said i needed before i fly it. if i can settle all issues with lou i will fly it.
may see you at sun-n-fun whether we have the plane or not.
paul brannon N117ES
--- On Fri, 1/23/09, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B numbers
> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:43 PM
> Hi Paul,
>
> Good to hear from you. Thanks for the real figures on your
> turbo 3 rotor,
> couldn't remember them offhand.
>
> I hope the "may fly yet" means it stays in the
> family? Or do you simply
> have a good home for it?
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
>
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>
> Matthews, NC
>
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
> http://www.andersonee.com
>
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>
> http://www.flyrotary.com/
>
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> Behalf Of fpbjr2001@yahoo.com
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:31 PM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B
> numbers
>
> ed
> dyno reading of 580hp with 10 lbs boost and 386 ft/lb
> torque at 5500 rpm.
> not sold yet. and may fly yet.
> paul brannon N117ES
>
>
> --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Ed Anderson
> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run /
> 20B numbers
> > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft"
> <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 3:10 PM
> > Should be a fire belching dragon of an engine at over
> 15psi,
> > Greg.
> >
> >
> >
> > 15 Psi boost would be roughly 60" Hg of boost
> which
> > at an A/F ratio of 12
> > (assume you would run it a bit rich at those boost
> levels)
> > would give at
> > 6000 rpm approx 550 HP burning 51 gph (more power at
> high
> > rpm and boost
> > naturally) and producing a total of 25000 BTU/Min of
> heat
> > to be dumped
> > through the radiator and oil cooler. Boy, you will
> produce
> > more heat energy
> > that gets dumped through your oil cooler (8484
> BTU/Min)
> > than my total
> > (coolant and oil heat) entire engine puts out. Hope
> you
> > have big radiators
> > and oil cooler {:>).
> >
> >
> >
> > A couple of guys in South Carolina had a turbo 3 rotor
> that
> > they stated
> > produced over 500 HP on the dyno. It flew, but
> > unfortunately only one
> > flight, before one of the partners decided they were
> not
> > true experimenters
> > and they decided to sell the project. It was really a
> nice
> > looking set up
> > on a Lancair ES.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> >
> > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> >
> > Matthews, NC
> >
> > eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> >
> > <http://www.andersonee.com>
> > http://www.andersonee.com
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> >
> > http://www.flyrotary.com/
> >
> >
> <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm>
> >
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > Behalf Of Greg Ward
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:53 AM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run /
> 20B
> > numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Ed;
> >
> > We are running a 4088 Garrett hair dryer, starting at
> about
> > 15# of boost,
> > and are extensively flow testing both the exhaust and
> > induction for best
> > efficiency/output. That's why the pictures, show
> > everything a little bit
> > different from what everyone else has done. Trying
> for
> > optimum runner
> > length, as little back pressure as possible, early
> heat
> > removal, etc.
> > Haven't got any real numbers down yet, until we
> > (finally) get on the dyno
> > but based on what a stock 360hp Cosmo gets for
> mileage, and
> > going from
> > there, we are convinced that fuel flows should be
> pretty
> > good. That's why
> > they call it "experimental".....(:-)
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Ed <mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> Anderson
> >
> >
> > To: Rotary <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > motors in aircraft
> >
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:42 AM
> >
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B
> > numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Greg, well, if the fuel burn figure reported was
> correct
> > - then the HP
> > figures I calculated are in the ball park.
> >
> >
> >
> > We know the 3 rotor is capable of producing
> considerably
> > more power at sea
> > level (per Al's dyno run with his 3 rotor) with
> the
> > higher air density.
> > However, at altitude the upper limit would naturally
> be
> > less due to the less
> > dense air to support combustion, unless you are
> running
> > some sort of forced
> > induction as in a turbo, supercharger or perhaps
> nitrous
> > oxide chemical
> > enhancement.
> >
> >
> >
> > But if the fuel burn was 15 gph, then it does not
> matter
> > whether it was a 2
> > rotor, 3 rotor or 1 rotor (a 1 rotor would really have
> to
> > be screaming to
> > burn at that rate {:>)), the approx HP equation
> is:
> >
> >
> >
> > HP = (Gallon/Hour) *( 6 lb gasoline/gallon ) /BSFC =
> > 15*6/0.55 = 90/0.55 =
> > 163 HP.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now if you choose a different BSFC such as 0.49 then
> you
> > get a better
> > conversion. But, I tend to be conservative in my
> > estimates.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> >
> > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> >
> > Matthews, NC
> >
> > eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> >
> > <http://www.andersonee.com>
> > http://www.andersonee.com
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> >
> > http://www.flyrotary.com/
> >
> >
> <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm>
> >
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > Behalf Of Greg Ward
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:20 AM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ Run / 20B
> numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Agree to that. Our projections on the turbo 20B are
> much
> > higher than that.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Al Gietzen <mailto:ALVentures@cox.net>
> >
> > To: Rotary <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > motors in aircraft
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:13 PM
> >
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ Run / 20B
> numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed;
> >
> >
> >
> > Seems like your numbers are about 100 hp - or maybe
> one
> > rotor - too low.
> >
> >
> >
> > Al G
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > Behalf Of Ed Anderson
> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:34 PM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ Run / 20B
> numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug, at 15 gph at 6000 rpm, Mark would be making
> approx
> > 165 HP, perhaps a
> > bit more, using a very conservative BSFC of 0.55. If
> you
> > assume a bit
> > better BSFC of 0.49 it would be around 183 HP.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> >
> > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> >
> > Matthews, NC
> >
> > eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> >
> > <http://www.andersonee.com>
> > http://www.andersonee.com
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> >
> > http://www.flyrotary.com/
> >
> >
> <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm>
> >
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > Behalf Of DLOMHEIM@aol.com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:38 PM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Mark's BBQ Run / 20B numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark:
> >
> >
> >
> > Great story...thanks for posting it! At 6,000 rpm and
> 15
> > gph, how many HP
> > do you think you're developing?
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, have you by chance flown side by side with
> another
> > Lycoming powered ES
> > for comparison purposes? If so what did you learn?
> >
> >
> >
> > We're going to have a couple of "burger
> > burns" at our airport ((2OK2) just
> > east of Tinker AFB) this Spring / Summer, so maybe
> > you'll feel like going on
> > a short cross country up this way and show our little
> EAA
> > chapter what a
> > three rotor looks and sounds like?!
> >
> >
> >
> > Blue Skies
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > RV-9A, 13B
> >
> > Organizing the hanger for Spring FWF and canopy work!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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