Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2761563 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:49:09 -0500 Received: from o7y6b5 (clt78-020.carolina.rr.com [24.93.78.20]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hAMCn6Fn024178 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:49:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000601c3b0f6$8b81f860$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: radiator Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:45:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: radiator > I'm not joint this "thread" on "theoretical calculations" becasue I need > more info on how I'll set up my cooling system - I already know what I'm > going to do - use two GM a/c cores like the other successful operators of > rotary powered RV's. Just mount them "better" I hope - see earlier post > (today?) re "cowl with no holes so I can cut and shape my own holes where I > want them." > > SNIP > Now, what I'd really enjou is peer review/comments on my design stuff, not > hot day calculations. > > David Carter > > ----- Original Message ----- Well, why didn't you say so, David {:>) As you should know this group is willing to review or comment on just about anything. Seriously, I agree that an theoretical approach can be useful in determining what the significant factors are in a situation - I would never have thought that port timing would have the effect it has on the DIE before doing the analysis. Now that I know, I can do a better job of designing my next manifold. However, I've learned long ago that models of the real world (including math models) are just that and seldom reflect all the intricacies or subtleties of the real world. If they do, they are frequently too complicated for easy use or else difficult/ impossible to get the input data needed. If they are too simply, then of course, they may not reflect the real world close enough to be really useful. To add to the confusion, I think we not infrequently draw the incorrect conclusion about why something does or does not work well. So many variables - any of which could be the cause. But, I think if we knew all the answers, then it would take away some of the challenge that makes this interesting. I think its great that some folks are always willing to try something different or challenge old assumptions - that's the way we make progress. For years, I was convinced that Ford evaporator cores would be unsuitable for radiators based on a thoughtful article in "CONTACT!:" magazine where the author cut apart both the Ford and GM types and showed that the cross channels in the Ford were quite a bit smaller than the GM cross channels. The conclusion was that the Ford cores would offer much more resistance to water flow. However, from some testing recently done by one of the list members, it turns out he found the Ford cores flow somewhat better than the GM cores. So was the original assumption flawed or did perhaps Ford change core in the intervening years? Don't know, but just an example of a "fact" that did not stand up to testing. So hang in there and keep designing your project! Best Regards Ed Anderson