X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net ([68.230.241.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3312749 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:33:10 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.40; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081122223236.JEAN8615.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:32:36 -0500 Received: from wills ([68.105.85.56]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id iNYZ1a0021CvZmk03NYbVl; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:32:35 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6kxgtz2XRhYA:10 a=9yMXvKWLtRsA:10 a=N8B9JuSIAAAA:8 a=arxwEM4EAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=QdXCYpuVAAAA:8 a=nUuTZ29dAAAA:8 a=W8LqRnZNfEgSG67zjUwA:9 a=LjDfY2eP905hmkLAUwoA:7 a=HZpw8C1vTZSFo5Dq2nVXWONWvuIA:4 a=wAQ6Jb9jwZYA:10 a=iVkDmfvjeKcA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=MP_20UxOAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=HzIbb2l7lmOZz2qGWm0A:9 a=A8J3_wXcT-AmjcoOYl4A:7 a=7Pjx-3vGEAQ8wWGTEwtYdwTnkDsA:4 a=WD2S8eiFAUIA:10 a=V9aB5C61OLQA:10 a=pM-imOxlMqoA:10 a=AFo-50l5zBoA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <002701c94cf2$3666c070$38556944@wills> From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mike Wills...when's your first flight? Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:32:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C94CAF.27EB4E50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C94CAF.27EB4E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, You may be right - I may be stalling. Also the new glider I just bought = is taking up a considerable amount of my spare time. I may be a little = over committed. :-) My first hour of dual in the Citabria was a little sketchy but by hour = 2 I was feeling pretty good. Other than the recent Citabria time I = havent flown a TD in about 5 years. I've got about 150 hours in the -6A so I know what it's going to do in = the air. It's when the wheels are on the ground.... I'm pretty sure i could just jump right in and go. But then I think = about the 13 years of my life invested in it. I'm going to feel pretty = stupid if I do something dumb that could have been rectified with a = little dual. Anyway, I'm going to hook back up with my buddy for another = hour or two in the Citabria here pretty soon. I'll let you know if I = want to take you up on your offer Dave. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mike Wills...when's your first flight? Mike, You know how I feel about it, same as Tracy and Ed. My first take = off and landing in an RV-6 was my test flight - and I had not flown a TD = in over 2 years. Basic flying skills are not particularly fleeting. = You have plenty of TW&RV experience, I think you are just stalling. :-) So just go fly it before the marine layer comes back!! Will be glad = to help any way I can including my previous offer of some time in my = right seat. But if you don't do it soon I am going to sneak over there one of = these days and "steal" your first flight just to get it out of the way = ;-) --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Tracy Crook = wrote: Ed's words on his first flight were virtually a carbon copy of my = own. And this was after flying nothing but ultralights for the 10 years = prior to flying the RV. I thought about getting an experienced RV pilot to do the first = flight but could not bring myself to ask anyone else to take the = responsibility for such a truly experimental machine. Besides, no one = knows your unique systems and how to handle them better than you.=20 All the best on your first flight whenever you decide you're ready. = You are the PIC. Tracy Crook On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Ed Anderson = wrote: Hi Mike, If you can get a ride in an RV that would be great. However, I = ran into the same problem =96 no Rv's available in my area back in 1998. = So my first flight in an RV was my test flight =96 I don't necessarily = recommend that, however, I found the Rv so easy to fly that in my focus = on my very high oil temperature and decision to abort after one circuit = of the patter (actually =BD circuit), I made a grease landing. On = reflection, I was amazed at how easy the Rv was to fly, I had not had to = give any conscious thought to flying while in the air. =20 In fact, I find a Cessna 150 on a hot day much tougher to land. = The only thing I would caution if attempting this =96 it is better to = keep the airspeed up a bit on the first couple of landings as the short = wings are not very forgiving if you get a high sink rate going. I would = recommend keeping it up to 80 MPH IAS on final =96 particularly if you = have a long run way. That keeps the sink rate low and manageable. Naturally with a tail dragger =96 keep those feet dancing on the = peddles to keep the nose from wandering. But, if you can land the = Citabria without any problem, I would be very surprised if the RV would = give you any. Good luck on that first flight =96 although ""good preparation" = would be a better saying. But, don't let me or anyone else tempt you to = do that first flight until you are good and ready. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike Wills Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:35 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mike Wills...when's your first flight? Doug, The airplane is ready - the pilot not so much. I was gearing up = with a CFI and did about 5 hours in a Citabria back in September. Was = feeling pretty good about things and wanted to get in just another hour = or two to brush up on wheel landings. Then spent the entire month of = October and early November on the road. Also had some unexpected = expenses during this time frame. So once the finances settle out and I can go get a few more hours = of dual. I may still make one last attempt to get a few hours of RV dual = too, but when I've looked into it in the past the guys who do that = always seem to be scheduled 6 months in advance. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DLOMHEIM@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:52 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Mike Wills...when's your first flight? Mike: How soon until you slip the surley (spelling?) bonds of the = earth with your RV-4? It looked like you were about ready to fly when I = saw it earlier in the year... Fly safe! Doug=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, = and the things you love. 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Dave,
 
 You may be right - I may be = stalling. Also=20 the new glider I just bought is taking up a considerable amount of my = spare=20 time. I may be a little over committed. :-)
 
 My first hour of dual in the = Citabria was a=20 little sketchy but by hour 2 I was feeling pretty good. Other than the = recent=20 Citabria time I havent flown a TD in about 5 years.
 
 I've got about 150 hours in the = -6A so I know=20 what it's going to do in the air. It's when the wheels are on the=20 ground....
 
 I'm pretty sure i could just jump = right in=20 and go. But then I think about the 13 years of my life invested in it. = I'm going=20 to feel pretty stupid if I do something dumb that could have been = rectified with=20 a little dual. Anyway, I'm going to hook back up with my buddy for = another hour=20 or two in the Citabria here pretty soon. I'll let you know if I want to = take you=20 up on your offer Dave.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
Sent: Saturday, November 22, = 2008 9:49=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mike=20 Wills...when's your first flight?

Mike,

You  know how I feel about it, same = as Tracy=20 and Ed.  My first take off and landing in an RV-6 was my test = flight -=20 and I had not flown a TD in over 2 years.  Basic flying skills = are not=20 particularly fleeting.   You have plenty of TW&RV experience, = I think=20 you are just stalling. :-)

So just go fly it before the marine = layer=20 comes back!!  Will be glad to help any way I can including my = previous=20 offer of some time in my right seat.

But if you don't do it = soon I am=20 going to sneak over there one of these days and "steal" your first = flight just=20 to get it out of the way ;-)

--
David Leonard

Turbo = Rotary=20 RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.nethttp://RotaryRoster.net

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Tracy Crook = <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>= =20 wrote:
Ed's=20 words on his first flight were virtually a carbon copy of my = own.  And=20 this was after flying nothing but ultralights for the 10 years prior = to=20 flying the RV.

I thought about getting an experienced RV = pilot to do=20 the first flight but could not bring myself to ask anyone else to = take the=20 responsibility for such a truly experimental machine.  = Besides, =20 no one knows your unique systems and how to handle them better than = you.=20

All the best on your first flight whenever you decide you're = ready.  You are the PIC.

Tracy Crook

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Ed Anderson = <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>=20 wrote:

Hi=20 Mike,

 

If you = can get a=20 ride in an RV that would be great.  However, I ran into the = same=20 problem =96 no Rv's available in my area back in 1998.  So my = first=20 flight in an RV was my test flight =96 I don't necessarily = recommend that,=20 however, I found the Rv so easy to fly that in my focus on my very = high=20 oil temperature and decision to abort after one circuit of the = patter=20 (actually =BD circuit), I made a grease landing.  On  = reflection,=20 I was amazed at how easy the Rv was to fly, I had not had to give = any=20 conscious thought to flying while in the air.  =

 

In = fact, I find a=20 Cessna 150 on a hot day much tougher to land.  The only thing = I would=20 caution if attempting this =96 it is better to keep the airspeed = up a bit on=20 the first couple of landings as the short wings are not very = forgiving if=20 you get a high sink rate going.  I would recommend keeping it = up to=20 80 MPH IAS on final =96 particularly if you have a long run = way.  That=20 keeps the sink rate low and manageable.

 

Naturally with a=20 tail dragger =96 keep those feet dancing on the peddles to keep = the nose=20 from wandering.  But, if you can land the Citabria without = any=20 problem, I would be very surprised if the RV would give you=20 any.

 

Good = luck on that=20 first flight =96 although ""good preparation" would be a better=20 saying.  But, don't let me or anyone else tempt you to do = that first=20 flight until you are good and ready.

 

Ed

 

Ed=20 Anderson

Rv-6A = N494BW=20 Rotary Powered

Matthews,=20 NC

eanderson@carolina.rr.com

http://www.andersonee.com

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

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From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike = Wills
Sent: Friday, November 21, = 2008 7:35=20 PM
To: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Mike Wills...when's your first=20 flight?

 

Doug,

 

 The=20 airplane is ready - the pilot not so much. I was gearing up with a = CFI and=20 did about 5 hours in a Citabria back in September. Was feeling = pretty good=20 about things and wanted to get in just another hour or two to = brush up on=20 wheel landings. Then spent the entire month of October and early = November=20 on the road. Also had some unexpected expenses during this time=20 frame.

 

 So once=20 the finances settle out and I can go get a few more hours of dual. = I may=20 still make one last attempt to get a few hours of RV dual too, but = when=20 I've looked into it in the past the guys who do that always seem = to be=20 scheduled 6 months in advance.

 

Mike=20 Wills

RV-4=20 N144MW 

----- Original=20 Message -----

From: DLOMHEIM@aol.com

To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft

Sent: = Friday,=20 November 21, 2008 2:52 AM

Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Mike Wills...when's your first flight?

 

Mike:

 

How = soon until=20 you slip the surley (spelling?) bonds of the earth with your = RV-4? =20 It looked like you were about ready to fly when I saw it earlier = in the=20 year...

 

Fly=20 safe!

 

Doug =



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