X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net ([68.230.241.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.8) with ESMTP id 3133800 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:10:11 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.40; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080916030935.VYK8615.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:09:35 -0400 Received: from wills ([68.105.85.56]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id FF9Y1a00W1CvZmk03F9agC; Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:09:34 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=f42qBnU5ZvgecAvMmYQA:9 a=CosE4_7ZJvgUspVP_wIA:7 a=DvmtemtKZ5xbuNTKax2E_6q2br4A:4 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=cHU5ExmC958o2DjzDtIA:9 a=MvybWovRYvC1lrkKqB8A:7 a=jfVjt1Dn4PyOuCJ1M9LgGSCnrjYA:4 a=V9aB5C61OLQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <009901c917a9$a41744b0$38556944@wills> From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:09:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C9176E.F7590EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 setup This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C9176E.F7590EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Mark, that clarifies things. I know when I changed mine it really = did change too - marginal improvement. I didnt know if maybe you have Tracy's EM2 and whether or not it would = allow you to see map B. I dont have the EM2. Came out after my panel was = done and I already had a different engine monitor. I'll read up on auto tune when I can retrieve my manual from the = airport, but I think the EM2 is required? Mike ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Steitle=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 setup Mike,=20 By me stating "it worked fine", I really meant that I didn't screw up = anything major and that it just possibly ran better than before I messed = with it. ;-) I don't know where to go to see the "B" MAP, or if it is even = possible, so all I can go by is by ear and seat of the pants. Did it = appear to run better than before? The answer was yes. Maybe it was = just my imagination. On a side note, I would like to know exactly what = gets copied from A to B when using mode 9. =20 Now that my auto-tune is working, I have done 99% of my tuning with = it. If you haven't learned to use auto-tune, do yourself a favor and = memorize the steps. It will make life a whole lot simpler. =20 Mark On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Mike Wills wrote: Mark, Me too (manual at airport). I updated my EC2 in January and the new = manual says Mode 9 to copy. So clarify what "it worked fine" means? Does that mean that the = engine runs more or less the same on A & B after the copy? Or does that = simply mean that you know the data copied OK? So far the only person who has actually answered my question was = Dave. Was kinda hoping to hear from Tracy but I guess he's otherwise = occupied ( I emailed him a few days ago). Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Steitle=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:00 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 setup Al,=20 My EC-2 manual is at the airport, but I'm pretty sure that the = latest manual says to use Mode 9 to copy A to B. Following the EC-2 = manual, I did that on Sunday and it worked fine. I know that Tracy made = some changes to a few of the modes. As always... follow the = installation manual, and after an upgrade always throw out the old = manual. =20 Mark S. =20 On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Al Gietzen = wrote: Mike; Mode 9??? Unless your unit is different, copy A to B is mode 2 = =96 and it copies everything. Mode 9 is for fine adjustment of mixture = settings, and is used for ato-tune in conjunction with the EM2. Al -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike Wills Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 6:42 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] EC2 setup I now have the airplane running pretty good throughout the RPM = range on controller A. Using Mode 9 I copied the program to the B = controller. I assumed that the engine would run the same (more or less) = on B after the copy, but no... Seems to be rich throughout the range - = to the point of mis-firing, surging, running rough, etc.... I think I = can tweak everything to settle it down, but is this normal? I assumed = there may be differences in the MAP sensor which would result in a small = difference but really did not expect such a drammatic difference. At = most throttle settings I have to turn the mixture full lean to smooth it = out. Does the Mode 9 copy just copy the MAP table or does it also = copy things like the staging point, the global injector setting, etc... If I can get this B controller dialed in I'll be out of excuses = - time to fly. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C9176E.F7590EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Mark, that clarifies things. I = know when I=20 changed mine it really did change too - marginal = improvement.
 
 I didnt know if maybe you have = Tracy's EM2=20 and whether or not it would allow you to see map B. I dont have the EM2. = Came=20 out after my panel was done and I already had a different engine=20 monitor.
 
 I'll read up on auto tune when I = can retrieve=20 my manual from the airport, but I think the EM2 is = required?
 
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark = Steitle=20
Sent: Monday, September 15, = 2008 6:33=20 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: EC2 setup

Mike,

By me stating "it worked fine", I really = meant that=20 I didn't screw up anything major and that it just possibly ran better = than=20 before I messed with it.  ;-)

I don't know where to go to = see the=20 "B" MAP, or if it is even possible, so all I can go by is by ear and = seat of=20 the pants.  Did it appear to run better than before?  The = answer was=20 yes.  Maybe it was just my imagination.  On a side note, I = would=20 like to know exactly what gets copied from A to B when using mode = 9. =20

Now that my auto-tune is working, I have done 99% of my tuning = with=20 it.  If you haven't learned to use auto-tune, do yourself a favor = and=20 memorize the steps.  It will make life a whole lot simpler.  =

Mark


On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Mike Wills = <rv-4mike@cox.net>=20 wrote:
Mark,
 
 Me too (manual at airport). I = updated my=20 EC2 in January and the new manual says Mode 9 to copy.
 
 So clarify what "it worked = fine" means?=20 Does that mean that the engine runs more or less the same on A & = B after=20 the copy? Or does that simply mean that you know the data copied=20 OK?
 
 So far the only person who = has actually=20 answered my question was Dave. Was kinda hoping to hear from Tracy = but I=20 guess he's otherwise occupied ( I emailed him a few days = ago).
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark Steitle
To:=20 Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft
Sent:=20 Monday, September 15, 2008 6:00 AM Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 setup

Al,
My EC-2 manual is at the airport, but I'm pretty sure that=20 the latest manual says to use Mode 9 to copy A to=20 B.  Following the EC-2 manual, I did that on Sunday and = it=20 worked fine.  I know that Tracy made some changes = to a few=20 of the modes.  As always... follow the installation manual, = and after=20 an upgrade always throw out the old manual. 
 
Mark S.   

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Al = Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net> wrote:

Mike;

 

Mode=20 9???  Unless your unit is different, copy A to B is mode 2 = =96 and it=20 copies everything. Mode 9 is for fine adjustment of mixture = settings,=20 and is used for ato-tune in conjunction with the = EM2.

 

Al

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike = Wills
Sent: = Sunday,=20 September 14, 2008 6:42 PM
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] EC2 setup

 

I now have the = airplane=20 running pretty good throughout the RPM range on controller A. = Using Mode=20 9 I copied the program to the B controller. I assumed that the = engine=20 would run the same (more or less) on B after the copy, but no... = Seems=20 to be rich throughout the range - to the point of mis-firing, = surging,=20 running rough, etc.... I think I can tweak everything to settle = it down,=20 but is this normal? I assumed there may be differences in the = MAP sensor=20 which would result in a small difference but really did not = expect such=20 a drammatic difference. At most throttle settings I have to turn = the=20 mixture full lean to smooth it out.

 

Does the Mode 9 = copy just=20 copy the MAP table or does it also copy things like the staging = point,=20 the global injector setting, etc...

 

If I can get this = B=20 controller dialed in I'll be out of excuses - time to=20 fly.

 

Mike=20 Wills

RV-4=20 N144MW

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