X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.173] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.7) with ESMTP id 3120878 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:34:37 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.249.92.173; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so156859ugd.13 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:34:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ayeIuwLlQI7aYJuwYE7exVWBD4xh+14ilqNvi8sAV9Y=; b=FzgjKCz9u5jsqBximpifGj0MYCEr5ATp1bojcp5bUi5YyBp/uTh1aiswuyAZYf8LOh 9RFko4J/NmS5PfARuH5Qnq3W0y6soxqaCOxOO58b8qfvAWD1GhmJZZuzMH6rj3Tjq7Vp 3PXUPdwQXZR+CJj1oQ3VyeMhcd3klKERR2vPw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=W4/8uKT7S06Rn87+miRMqZnLyVhCyIzOG+X/RtGFsosQSt1/l3/n3DUu0i2KEYBwIk ODFtbJrcCq0sUAQmOQ/vRwd4t/VpmPtVpLLnkBKflEtbpyC9G0q+Nc6yAHcEIVpeGOyL 3V42c8MSbxgXHqu369j5Cu3H9wNgH0yyTzTxs= Received: by 10.210.40.10 with SMTP id n10mr20538486ebn.99.1220963641110; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.24.6 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 05:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5cf132c0809090534n5a675fa6t508bc61fe2f1fd54@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:34:01 -0500 From: "Mark Steitle" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Update from Mark? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_110669_4385945.1220963641079" References: ------=_Part_110669_4385945.1220963641079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I may just take you up on that one Chris. I'll know more when it gets a little closer to October. Mark On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Christopher Barber < CBarber@texasattorney.net> wrote: > Mark, > > Please let me know when you are in Galveston, it is only about 30 minutes > away from me. Of course, you are welcome up at Ellington (EFD) as well. > Rocket Scientist and Astronauts do frequent the area > > I may have my fuel strake issue resolved by then and be ready to fire up > the new 'ol 13B again. > > All the best, > > Chris Barber > Houston > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mark Steitle > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2008 11:29 AM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Update from Mark? > > Hi Doug, > > Well, the Texas heat is still with us, but only in the upper 90's, not > triple-digits. We had about 50 days this summer in the triple-digit > territory and I'll have to say that I gave out before my cooling system > did. Highest coolant temp I saw on the water was 220. But with a 23# cap > and running an ethlene-glycol mix, I felt ok. I don't think I could say > that if it went much higher. Keep in mind that this is during climb out > where I'm pushing it pretty hard. Oil temps will sometimes hit 230, but > that is after the first cooler. The second cooler brings the temps down > another 10-20*. These are worst case readings, temps in cruise climb and > cruise are lower, of course. I measure water temps coming out of the engine > and again after the radiator, and oil temps after the oil/air exchanger and > again after the oil/water exchanger. Overkill, but I had the extra > channels, so I used them for this. > > All in all, I'm happy with my cooling system and don't plan on making any > changes. It has more reserve than me or my pax. I have noticed a lot of > buildup on the radiator fins (not bugs). That can't help the temps any. I > need to keep an eye on that. > > One addition that I may consider before next summer is to add water spray > to the main radiator to use if things start to get out of hand. A quart > reservoir would probably be sufficient. > > The only other issues has been a small but nagging oil leak, and tuning the > EC-2. I finally figured out that I had a wiring error on the EC-2 PCM > (Programming Control Module), which prevented the auto-tune feature from > working, and a defective PCM. Having corrected both of those, I am > still working with Tracy to try and figure out why the EC-2 MAP table gets > corrupted mysteriously and without warning. I'll post something for the > group after we find and fix the problem. This only seems to be a problem > with fiberglass a/c, so you RV types have nothing to worry about. > > I've burned the packing out of the Hushpower II muffler many hours ago. > It had been nice an quiet... for the first 30 minutes. Not sure if there is > an answer for that one unless I want to install a turbo-charger. > > The real "jewel" has been the c/s prop. This allows me to cruise at around > 10.6 gph at 4200-4500 rpm, 153 TAS. Until recently, I had been cruising at > 5200 rpm, burning 14-15 gph. Speeds are about the same. Keep in mind that > I normally fly at 3500-5500 msl. I anticipate lower fuel burn at higher > altitudes. I'm planning a trip to Galveston in October and I can try out > this theory then. > > Mark > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:15 AM, wrote: > >> Howdy Mark...the majority of the nasty high temperature days should be >> over in your neck of the woods now so I was wondering how your cooling >> faired this summer, etc.? Have you pretty much gotten any "bugs" worked out >> of your installation so it has basically become more automotive like (a >> simple turn key operation)? >> >> Thanks for the update. >> >> Doug Lomheim >> RV-9A / 13B >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the >> latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com >> . >> > > ------=_Part_110669_4385945.1220963641079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I may just take you up on that one Chris.  I'= ;ll know more when it gets a little closer to October. 
 
Mark 

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Christopher Bar= ber <CBar= ber@texasattorney.net> wrote:
Mark,
 
Please let me know when you are in Gal= veston, it is only about 30 minutes away from me.  Of course, you are = welcome up at Ellington (EFD) as well.  Rocket Scientist and Astronaut= s do frequent the area <g>
 
I may have my fuel strake issue resolv= ed by then and be ready to fire up the new 'ol 13B again.
 
All the best,
 
Chris Barber
Houston
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:= 29 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Update = from Mark?

Hi Doug,
 
Well, the Texas heat is still with us, but only in the upper 90's,=  not triple-digits.  We had about 50 days this summer in the trip= le-digit territory and I'll have to say that I gave out before my cooli= ng system did.  Highest coolant temp I saw on the water was 220. = But with a 23# cap and running an ethlene-glycol mix, I felt ok. &nbs= p;I don't think I could say that if it went much higher.  Keep in = mind that this is during climb out where I'm pushing it pretty hard.&nb= sp; Oil temps will sometimes hit 230, but that is after the first cooler.&n= bsp; The second cooler brings the temps down another 10-20*.  The= se are worst case readings, temps in cruise climb and cruise are lower= , of course.  I measure water temps coming out of the engine and = again after the radiator, and oil temps after the oil/air exchanger and aga= in after the oil/water exchanger.  Overkill, but I had the extra chann= els, so I used them for this. 
 
All in all, I'm happy with my cooling system and don't plan on= making any changes.  It has more reserve than me or my pax.  I h= ave noticed a lot of buildup on the radiator fins (not bugs).  That ca= n't help the temps any.  I need to keep an eye on that.
 
One addition that I may consider before next summer is to add water sp= ray to the main radiator to use if things start to get out of hand.  A= quart reservoir would probably be sufficient.
 
The only other issues has been a small but nagging oil leak, and tunin= g the EC-2.  I finally figured out that I had a wiring error on t= he EC-2 PCM (Programming Control Module), which prevented the auto-tune fea= ture from working, and a defective PCM.  Having corrected bo= th of those, I am still working with Tracy to try and figure out why t= he EC-2 MAP table gets corrupted mysteriously and without warning.&nbs= p; I'll post something for the group after we find and fix the problem.=   This only seems to be a problem with fiberglass a/c, so you RV types= have nothing to worry about.
 
I've burned the packing out of the Hushpower II muffler many hours= ago.  It had been nice an quiet... for the first 30 minutes= .  Not sure if there is an answer for that one unless I want to instal= l a turbo-charger.
 
The real "jewel" has been the c/s prop.  This allows me= to cruise at around 10.6 gph at 4200-4500 rpm, 153 TAS.  Until recent= ly, I had been cruising at 5200 rpm, burning 14-15 gph.  Speeds are ab= out the same.  Keep in mind that I normally fly at 3500-5500 msl. = ; I anticipate lower fuel burn at higher altitudes.  I'm plan= ning a trip to Galveston in October and I can try out this theory then.
 
Mark

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:15 AM, <DLOMHEIM@aol.c= om> wrote:
Howdy Mark...the majority of the nasty high temperature days should be= over in your neck of the woods now so I was wondering how your coolin= g faired this summer, etc.?  Have you pretty much gotten any = ;"bugs" worked out of your installation so it has basically becom= e more automotive like (a simple turn key operation)?
 
Thanks for the update.
 
Doug Lomheim
RV-9A / 13B
  




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