X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTP id 3047033 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:10:18 -0400 Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id q.c27.40ae26e5 (37116) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA012-90fc488f40df21d; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:10:07 -0400 Received: from webmail-nh12 (webmail-nh12.sim.aol.com [207.200.84.131]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA033-5c55488f40dd2e9; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:10:05 -0400 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Safety wire Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:10:05 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 66.253.96.220 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: wrjjrs@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CABFACB2AD9C4F_11F0_4718_webmail-nh12.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37955-STANDARD Received: from 66.253.96.220 by webmail-nh12.sysops.aol.com (207.200.84.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:10:04 -0400 Message-Id: <8CABFACB242519C-11F0-23C7@webmail-nh12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CABFACB2AD9C4F_11F0_4718_webmail-nh12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Keith, I use Locktite ON EVERYTHING. I should have bought stock a long time ago. Re= member though Locktite only works in applications where the bolts will stay=20= below 200=C2=B0F if you use the standard OTC stuff. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: ktradcliff@comcast.net To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 5:46 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Safety wire Wow! The differences in opinions is so varied when it comes to the subject=20= of=20 afety wire. From absolutely nothing to almost everything, and whatever may=20 all between. Ed, you have your oil pan drain plug and your oil filter wired= =20 ith very little else. John you mentioned that your oil pan bolts are wired= . =20 re these all of the small 6mm bolts? If so; how did you wire them? Did you= =20 rill them, are they weaker because of this as someone has mentioned? Also=20 ohn; What type of mount are you using? Is it the bed mount that relies on t= he=20 mm bolts? You would not want to weaken any of these bolts however you would= n't=20 ant any of these bolts to come out. Al, you mention that you don't have=20 nything safety wired and haven't experienced anything important coming lose=20= in=20 car. I have and it was very important. It was a tube and o-ring related to= =20 he coolant system that was held into the block by one bolt. Needless to say= =20 he one bolt backed out, I lost coolant over heated and I pulled over to the side of the road. I cannot pull over in=20 a plane. It would=20 e nice if we didn't have to wire anything, however we must decide what is=20 ritical. Bill, I think that your knowledge as a racer is priceless. We cou= ld=20 ll benefit from you knowledge and find out what falls off of motors that we=20 eally don't want to fall off. It would appear that oil drains and coolant=20 rains are the most important in racing. Not only does it protect your engin= e=20 rom complete failure from oil loss or coolant loss, but it also protects oth= er=20 acers on the track as these fluids if spilled onto the track become very=20 lippery. And once again Ed, you mention that drilling bolts could weaken th= em,=20 nd I agree. So the question is; When is a bolt or nut to small to drill? =20 ill, I also agree with you when you say that "most bolts don't need safety w= ire=20 f you remember to tighten them". However what I find interesting is that no= =20 ne has mentioned or suggested the use of thread lock along with proper torquing. And as far as the tension bolts go from what I=20 nderstand is that Tracy Crook does not recommend safety wire on these bolts.= =20 e does however recommend the use of rtv sealant on these bolts. What about=20 ealant and thread lock? Thanks everyone. Keith V-7A 3-B=20 -- omepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ rchive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.ht= ml ----------MB_8CABFACB2AD9C4F_11F0_4718_webmail-nh12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Keith,
I use Locktite ON EVERYTHING. I should have bought stock a long time ago. Re= member though Locktite only works in applications where the bolts will stay=20= below 200=C2=B0F if you use the standard OTC stuff.
Bill Jepson


-----Original Message-----
From: ktradcliff@comcast.net
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 5:46 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Safety wire

Wow!  The=
 differences in opinions is so varied when it comes to the subject of=20
safety wire.  From absolutely nothing to almost everything, and whatever may=
=20
fall between.  Ed, you have your oil pan drain plug and your oil filter wire=
d=20
with very  little else.  John you mentioned that your oil pan bolts are wire=
d. =20
Are these all of the small 6mm bolts?  If so; how did you wire them?  Did yo=
u=20
drill them, are they weaker because of this as someone has mentioned?  Also=20
John; What type of mount are you using?  Is it the bed mount that relies on=20=
the=20
6mm bolts?  You would not want to weaken any of these bolts however you woul=
dn't=20
want any of these bolts to come out.  Al, you mention that you don't have=20
anything safety wired and haven't experienced anything important coming lose=
 in=20
a car.  I have and it was very impor
tant. It was a tube and o-ring related to=20
the coolant system that was held into the block by one bolt.  Needless to sa=
y=20
the one bolt backed out, I lost coolant over heated and I
 pulled over to the side of the road.  I cannot pull over in a plane.  It wo=
uld=20
be nice if we didn't have to wire anything, however we must decide what is=20
critical.  Bill, I think that your knowledge as a racer is priceless.  We co=
uld=20
all benefit from you knowledge and find out what falls off of motors that we=
=20
really don't want to fall off.  It would appear that oil drains and coolant=20
drains are the most important in racing.  Not only does it protect your engi=
ne=20
from complete failure from oil loss or coolant loss, but it also protects ot=
her=20
racers on the track as these fluids if spilled onto the track become very=20
slippery.  And once again Ed, you mention that drilling bolts could weaken t=
hem,=20
and I agree.  So the question is; When is a bolt or nut to small to drill? =20
Bill, I also agree with you when you say that "most bolts don't need safety=20=
wire=20
if you remember to tighten them".  However what I find interesting is that n=
o=20
one has mentioned or suggested the use of thread lock along
 with proper torquing.  And as far as the tension bolts go from what I=20
understand is that Tracy Crook does not recommend safety wire on these bolts=
. =20
He does however recommend the use of rtv sealant on these bolts.=3D2
0 What about=20
sealant and thread lock?  Thanks everyone.

 Keith
RV-7A
13-B=20

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