X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.184] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTPS id 2977694 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:53:30 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.184; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d58-104-215-70.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [58.104.215.70]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id m5L6qaQu004330 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:52:43 +1000 Message-ID: <001501c8d36b$6ab7f020$6400a8c0@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral/ Intake manifolds Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:52:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8D3BF.37BBFBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8D3BF.37BBFBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg, I will try with attachments under separate cover, I don't know how well = attachments will go. I sent some on the Rotamax which didn't go through = (response to Ernest), so I will send this response first and I will try = attachments separately. George Thanks George, any information you can give me would be appreciated. = If I see something I like, I jump on it, especially if it proves safer, = faster, more efficient, and last, prettier......(:-) Definitely want to = see your exhaust design and calcs, to compare with what I am doing, = thanks. Where is PL's site? Regards; Greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Lendich=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral/ Intake manifolds Greg, Their intake is very good, I prompted Francois on going PP but he = wasn't interested - claiming PP =3Dreduced longevity. Of course any = engine running harder will not last as long and their aiming for = longevity. So the intake is a 4 port ( I think), pretty standard construction = but with a very nice fuel catcher, very neat indeed. I really couldn't give any idea on which intake is the best, as you = say their all different but if you come up with a good design and it is = proven and cost effective, your on a winner. I'm sure Mistral wouldn't = mind the competition. I passed the exhaust design on to PL's site, so I will pass them on = here it your interested. Greg I also have some calculations on intake sizing, if your = interested - if it helps. George (down under) Hey George; I have no argument with that, and my sympathy goes to them on = their recent crash, but they could at least return an email or a call = and tell me to go to hell. Didn't even get that, and I may have been a = potential client for an engine. Not a good way to do Public Relations, = and I being in business, can relate to that. Greg=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Lendich=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral/ Intake manifolds Greg, To be fair, their up to their neck in work trying to get their = own development sorted out, this last problem with the exhaust wasn't = particularly helpful. The problem is, from what I hear, that us experimental chaps = take up a lot of time and they haven't got the time to put to such small = sales. Things may be better down the track, when they have everything = sorted. I've even offered Mistral details of an exhaust that Bill Jepson = and I have been working on and they didn't even respond to that, I"M = SURE only because they haven't got the time George (down under)=20 If you knew what I have been going through getting a turbo = manifold for a 20B built, you wouldn't even try. I tried communicating = with Mistral several times about one of their manifolds, there was no = interest in helping me out. Greg Ward Lancair 20B in progress ----- Original Message -----=20 From: H & J Johnson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:51 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Mistral/ Intake manifolds Just thought I'd ask around. A few people purchased intake = manifolds from Mistral and I'm trying to find out a few things about = them. First of all, what versions of the 13B did they fit? How = much do they weigh? Originally, what were they selling them for. As I understand it, they no longer sell them to joe-public, = nor do the new unit's fit on the standard 13B? Are there builders out = there who would prefer to buy a ready to install manifold for their = projects? Thanks guy's! Jarrett Johnson -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1469 - Release = Date: 27/05/2008 1:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1469 - Release Date: = 27/05/2008 1:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. 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Greg,
I will try with attachments under = separate cover, I=20 don't know how well attachments will go. I sent some on the Rotamax = which didn't=20 go through (response to Ernest), so I will send this response first and = I will=20 try attachments separately.
George
Thanks George, any information you can give me = would be=20 appreciated.  If I see something I like, I jump on it, especially = if it=20 proves safer, faster, more efficient, and last, = prettier......(:-) =20 Definitely want to see your exhaust design and calcs, to compare with = what I=20 am doing, thanks.  Where is PL's site?
Regards;
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 George Lendich
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 = 5:34=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Mistral/=20 Intake manifolds

Greg,
Their intake is very good, I = prompted Francois=20 on going PP but he wasn't interested - claiming PP =3Dreduced = longevity. Of=20 course any engine running harder will not last as long and their = aiming for=20 longevity.
 
So the intake is a 4 port ( I = think), pretty=20 standard construction but with a very nice fuel catcher, very neat=20 indeed.
 
I really couldn't give any idea on = which intake=20 is the best, as you say their all different but if you come up with = a good=20 design and it is proven and cost effective, your on a winner. I'm = sure=20 Mistral wouldn't mind the competition.
 
I passed the exhaust design on to = PL's site, so=20 I will pass them on here it your interested.
 
Greg I also have some calculations = on intake=20 sizing, if your interested - if it helps.
 
George (down under)
Hey George;
I have no argument with that, and my = sympathy goes=20 to them on their recent crash, but they could at least return an = email or=20 a call and tell me to go to hell.  Didn't even get that, and = I may=20 have been a potential client for an engine.  Not a good way = to do=20 Public Relations, and I being in business, can relate to=20 that.
Greg
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 George Lendich =
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, June 20, = 2008 3:57=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Mistral/=20 Intake manifolds

Greg,
To be fair, their up to their = neck in work=20 trying to get their own development sorted out, this last = problem with=20 the exhaust wasn't particularly helpful.
The problem is, from what I = hear, that us=20 experimental chaps take up a lot of time and they haven't = got the=20 time to put to such small sales. Things may be better down the = track,=20 when they have everything sorted.
 
I've even offered Mistral = details of an=20 exhaust that Bill Jepson and I have been working on and they = didn't even=20 respond to that, I"M SURE only because they haven't got the=20 time
George (down = under) 
If you knew what I have been going = through=20 getting a turbo manifold for a 20B built, you wouldn't even = try. =20 I tried communicating with Mistral several times about one of = their=20 manifolds, there was no interest in helping me = out.
Greg Ward
Lancair 20B in progress
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 H=20 & J Johnson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Sent: Friday, June = 20, 2008=20 7:51 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Mistral/=20 Intake manifolds

Just thought I'd ask around. A few people purchased = intake=20 manifolds from Mistral and I'm trying to find out a few = things about=20 them.

First of all, what versions of the 13B did they fit? How = much do=20 they weigh? Originally, what were they selling them for.

 

As I understand it, they no longer sell them to = joe-public, nor=20 do the new unit's fit on the standard 13B? Are there = builders out=20 there who would prefer to buy a ready to install manifold = for their=20 projects?

 

Thanks guy's!

Jarrett Johnson

 

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