X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.2) with ESMTP id 2873196 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:47:58 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20080426154718.OKAC11174.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@edward2> for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:47:18 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c8a7b4$d421dcc0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 1600 CC rotary Development engine Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:47:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C8A793.4CD94E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C8A793.4CD94E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Richard, I guess when I got interested in the rotary (around 1991) the 13B was in = full swing and the 12A was fading away - so I just assumed that the 12A = was the older/smaller engine. You live and learn (if you live). Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Sohn=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1600 CC rotary Development engine The first rotary I took apart was a 13B out from a '74 wagon. I still = have some parts of it laying around. Richard Sohn N2071U ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1600 CC rotary Development engine So True, Bob. One reason while I may be panting in anticipation (I = will not be holding my breath {:>)). Interesting, I had always thought = the 12A had long preceded the 13B so far as used in Mazda vehicles. =20 Ed. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bmears9413@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1600 CC rotary Development engine Dont count on that. In 1979 the RX7 came out with the 12A. Mazda = told us (Mazda dealers) at that time we would never see a 13B again. = Then in 84 we see the 13B again and in 86 the 12A was gone. I know for a = fact, as a Mazda dealer, that Mazda or any other manufacturer never = really knows where the market will take them. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 9:31 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1600 CC rotary Development engine Ed,=20 Cool video. Love that sound! Too bad the 3-rotor will likely = never be produced in mass again. Good thing it will most likely outlast = my flying career. =20 Mark (not Mike) On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Ed Anderson = wrote: Ah, Mike. You think perhaps you joke about the 24B. Take a = look at the video of this Mazda Concept car With perhaps a 24B in it!!! = If the 2 rotor 1600cc is suppose to put out around 250HP the 3 rotor = 1600 should blow everything with pistons out of the air (figurative = speaking of course) http://www.mazdarxnews.com/ Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Steitle=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1600 CC rotary Development engine ...and I may just wait for the 24B. ;-) Mark On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Ed Anderson = wrote: Glad you got it off, Bob. Sometimes having been there = before can pay off {:>) Yes, compared to the car installation, even our busiest = aircraft installation looks anemic. Well, rather than replace my older 91 13B with a Renesis, I = may just wait for the 16B (but, I won't hold my breath {:>)) Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob White" = To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1600 CC rotary Development engine Hi Ed, Your off list help on the number of studs on the RX-7 = throttle body paid off. I never could see the fourth nut, but I stuck a = socket and extension on the fourth corner and it locked on to = something. After turning it a while, the throttle body came right off. I always wondered why people would let the oil injector = feed lines get brittle and crack without checking them once in a while. = Now I know. Who the hell could ever find them without a shop manual. = There are more hoses, wires, and devices attached to that engine and = I don't even want to know what they are for. The 1600 cc engine is beautiful, thanks for the pictures. = If they put it in a car, they will add so much junk that you won't = ever see the engine. I like old cars with a few modern improvements, like = electronic ignition and EFI. This week I started my '74 Suburban for = the first time in a year. It has electronic ignition, manual choke, = and an electric fuel pump. After charging the battery overnight, = it started right up. After 60 miles on the highway it was running as = good as ever. (That only cost me about 25 bucks for gas which is = why it hadn't been started for a year.) Bob W. On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:18:16 -0400 "Ed Anderson" wrote: Things been a bit quite of recently. How about a view = of the 1600 cc rotary under development by Mazda. Those aluminum side = housing sure look nice. Rotor is thinner but larger in diameter with a = larger throw on the eccentric shaft for more torque at all rpm. Saving = my pennies. 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Thanks Richard,
 
I guess when I got interested in the = rotary=20 (around 1991) the 13B was in full swing and the 12A was fading away - so = I just=20 assumed that the 12A was the older/smaller engine.  You live and = learn (if=20 you live).
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard=20 Sohn
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 = 11:21=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1600 = CC rotary=20 Development engine

The first rotary I took apart was a = 13B out from=20 a '74 wagon. I still have some parts of it laying around.
 
Richard Sohn
N2071U
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed Anderson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, April 26, = 2008 10:09=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1600 = CC rotary=20 Development engine

So True, Bob.  One reason = while=20 I may  be panting in anticipation (I will not be holding = my breath=20 {:>)).  Interesting, I had always thought the 12A had long = preceded=20 the 13B so far as used in Mazda vehicles. 
 
Ed.
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 bmears9413@aol.com
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, April 26, = 2008 11:02=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = 1600 CC=20 rotary Development engine

Dont count on that. In 1979 the RX7 came out with = the 12A.=20 Mazda told us (Mazda dealers) at that time we would never see a = 13B again.=20 Then in 84 we see the 13B again and in 86 the 12A was gone. I know = for a=20 fact, as a Mazda dealer, that Mazda or any other manufacturer = never really=20 knows where the market will take them.


-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Mark Steitle = <msteitle@gmail.com>
To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:=20 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 9:31 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1600 CC = rotary=20 Development engine

Ed, =

Cool=20 video.  Love that sound!  Too bad the 3-rotor will = likely never=20 be produced in mass again.  Good thing it will most likely = outlast my=20 flying career. 

Mark (not Mike)


On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Ed = Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;=20 wrote:
Ah, Mike.  You think = perhaps you=20 joke about the 24B.  Take a look at the video of this Mazda = Concept=20 car With perhaps a 24B in it!!!  If the 2 rotor 1600cc is = suppose=20 to put out around 250HP the 3 rotor 1600 should blow everything = with=20 pistons out of the air (figurative speaking of = course)
 
 
Ed
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark=20 Steitle
To:=20 Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Sent:=20 Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:55 AM
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: 1600 CC rotary Development engine

...and I may just wait for the 24B. =20 ;-)

Mark

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Ed = Anderson=20 <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;=20 wrote:
Glad=20 you got it off, Bob.  Sometimes having been there = before can=20 pay off {:>)

Yes, compared to the car = installation, even=20 our busiest aircraft installation looks anemic.

Well, = rather=20 than replace my older 91 13B with  a Renesis, I may = just wait=20 for the 16B (but, I won't hold my breath = {:>))

Ed
-----=20 Original Message ----- From: "Bob White" <bob@bob-white.com>
To:=20 "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:=20 Friday, April 25, 2008 9:55 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = 1600 CC=20 rotary Development engine


Hi=20 Ed,

Your off list help on the number of studs on = the RX-7=20 throttle body paid
off.  I never could see the = fourth nut,=20 but I stuck a socket and
extension on the fourth corner = and it=20 locked on to something.  After
turning it a while, = the=20 throttle body came right off.

I always wondered why = people=20 would let the oil injector feed lines get
brittle and = crack=20 without checking them once in a while.  Now I = know.
Who=20 the hell could ever find them without a shop manual. =  There=20 are
more hoses, wires, and devices attached to that = engine and=20 I don't even
want to know what they are for.

The = 1600 cc=20 engine is beautiful, thanks for the pictures.  If = they=20 put
it in a car, they will add so much junk that you = won't ever=20 see the
engine.

I like old cars with a few = modern=20 improvements, like electronic
ignition and EFI. =  This week=20 I started my '74 Suburban for the first
time in a year. =  It has electronic ignition, manual choke, and = an
electric=20 fuel pump.  After charging the battery overnight, it=20 started
right up.  After 60 miles on the highway = it was=20 running as good as
ever.  (That only cost me about = 25=20 bucks for gas which is why it
hadn't been started for a = year.)

Bob W.





On Fri, 25 Apr = 2008=20 14:18:16 -0400
"Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;=20 wrote:

Things=20 been a bit quite of recently.  How about a view of = the 1600=20 cc rotary under development by Mazda.  Those = aluminum side=20 housing sure look nice.  Rotor is thinner but = larger in=20 diameter with a larger throw on the eccentric shaft for = more=20 torque at all rpm.  Saving my = pennies.

Ed

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