Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #41782
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Exhaust Wrap was [FlyRotary] Re: Exhaust?
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:05:24 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
For what its worth, Greg,  I turbocharged a couple of Honda Civics back in the mid 1970s. 
 
The exhaust was made out of mild steel and I did wrap one set of headers with heat shield tape.  The tubes did not last three  months before one sprung a small leak, it was on the underside so I did not catch it.  I had fortunately installed an oil pressure gauge because half way through a 600 mile trip I happened to notice the oil pressure headed downward.
 
  It turns out the exhaust leak was impinging on a stainless steel braided line used to return the oil from turbo to oil plan.  The heat had charred the rubber liner of the hose and oil was rapidly leaking out the stainless steel line - if it had been under pressure and oil had sprayed on the hot turbo/exhaust pipes, my first indication might have been a fire under the hood.
 
There are other methods of shielding things from the radiant heat (positioning, coatings, SS sheets, Thermofax, etc) that do not incur the risk of "hiding" your exhaust tubing with tapes/wrap. In a car, where you can shut off the engine and pull off the road - it might be an acceptable risk to some, but I just do not think any sort of exhaust wrap belongs in an aircraft.  It might work just fine - but, if it does not........., ..but, just my opinion.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Ward
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 2:21 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Exhaust? was [FlyRotary] engine installation pictures

No answers to any of these questions Bill.  I will call Brian tomorrow and see what's up, and get some specifics.  He brought it up because we have been talking about the turbocharging issue, and how/where to locate all of the parts, including shielding.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:57 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Exhaust? was [FlyRotary] engine installation pictures

In a message dated 3/4/2008 8:32:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, gregw@onestopdesign.biz writes:
Yeah, and my friend in SoCal, the Racer again, says that the 20B racers down there wrap, and it really helps.  But then again, racers......
Greg
Greg,
And they tested this how? With what instrumentation? So you know I have built racing cars and bikes for others and I have road raced motorcycles myself. The only coating or wrap I could find that worked was the Jet-Hot coating. That was on a motorcycle. The in cowl temps were reduced by 15°F. There wasn't any HP increase that I could determine reliably. I did record an increase on the wheel dyno but not enough to be certain it wasn't just different temp and baro pressure conditions. The rotary exhaust temperature is so much hotter that Jet-Hot has only had a suitable coating for about a year and a half. I'd try that if you must. Shielding, even thin and close has proven to be effective, as has zirconia ceramic blanket. The wrap may not have actually caused the cracking on the exhaust system mentioned previously but it certainly makes it impossible to detect cracks before they get dangerous. I'd stay away from wraps for just that reason.
Bill Jepson



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