Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #4150
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake manifold
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:33:07 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 
Opps, should read:  On the 1988 NA the secondary port runners should be about 4 inches shorter than the primaries.

Finn Lassen wrote:
Jim Sower wrote:
<... a simple way to cut down on the amount of fuel/air mixture during idle ... yet have plenty of reserves at redline rpm ...>
So why do I need primarys and secondarys with different lengths that screw up DIE and generally make life more difficult?
There must be more to this than meets the eye ... Jim S.
According to the graphs Ed distributed after the presentation, on the 1990 Turbo and street ported 1991 Turbo II  their primary and secondary runners can be identical lengths.

On the 1988 NA the secondary port runners should be about 4 inches longer than the primaries. This presumably is for a non-street ported engine. Any porting will dramatically alter the required lengths.

Come on, Ed. Help me out here!

Finn
 
Hi Jim, Finn
 
Good question and answer.  As I hope I made clear, the DIE effect is an adjunct to an already good intake system.  There are several other factors than DIE that carry more weight (than DIE) in producing power.  One appears to be the velocity of the air/fuel mixture in your pipes.  Too slow is apparently not good and that depends on (among other things) on the diameters of the pipes.
 
What you want/need for an automobile installation is different than for an aircraft.  An example is with the torque, auto engines are generally tuned to produce gobs of torque at relatively low rpms to give the vehicle that breath taking 0-60MPH acceleration.  We of course want the torque and power at different (generally higher) rpms.  Therefore we have  the different  lenghts and diameters of the auto engine manifold all for good and valid reasons.
 
I do not have any data one way or the other about what changing the intake system and port timing does to the basic breathing of the rotary.  Paw Yaw's web site probably has as good as I have seen on that aspect. 
 
I believe (but have no data to support the belief) that if you want the DIE effect at only one rpm, then given all else is equal (which it seldom is) then it may make sense to port an engine to give the same timing on both primary and secondary.  I think this would be hard (and not necessarily good) to do on the 6 port as there is a wide difference between say the secondary and aux timing.  I think it is easier to get the two ports on a turbo block equal in timing without major challenges.
 
I will be merging my primary and secondary runners shortly after they exit the engine block on my next manifold.  My ports are already equal in timing.  So hopefully with in the next month or two, I will have this new intake fabricated and can provide some data on the results.
 
Hope this addresses your question.
 
Best Regard
 
Ed Anderson
 
 
 
 
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