Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: flyrotary Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:06:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.74] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 2647605 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:20:14 -0400 Received: from user-2injqsl.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.235.149] helo=Carol) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ACW1B-0001pF-00 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:20:11 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <011d01c39914$8cc82b30$0000a398@Carol> From: "sqpilot@earthlink" X-Original-To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Sigh! Another engine out Glide! X-Original-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:59:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C398E7.B946D440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C398E7.B946D440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sigh! Another engine out Glide! From: Finn Lassen=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sigh! Another engine out Glide! Yep, I read that too. However, the point is we want more on board, not scare them away, = right?=20 Need to somehow balance the negative with the positive. On the other hand, the fewer using the rotary the more spare engines = will still be available. So scare away!=20 Finn Well, Finn, I see it a bit different at this point in time. This = is still the "experimentation" phase with a lot of unknowns. I have = had a few folks tell me that my experiences helped decide them against = the rotary. That is great as far as I am concerned. People need to = know there are not inconsiderable risks associated with this hobby. You = can get injured or worst! I would much rather have somebody fully aware of the risks when they = make that decision. If they then feel uncomfortable with that level of = risk then they are smart to stay away in my opinion. However, not being = that smart myself, I continue despite a few incidents. The negative is = they happened, the positive is nothing happened! I try to minimize my risk as best I can. But the only way I see to = eliminate it is to stop flying period. Then I'd probably slip in the = shower {:>) Hey, look at the bright side, I seemed to attract over my quota of = mishaps/incidents perhaps that means someone else is getting a free ride = (not mentioning any names you know {:>)) I understand your point, Finn, but just don't necessarily feel that = we should keep quit about these incidents - I know you didn't mean that = anyhow. See you at Shady Bend Ed I agree, Ed.....as a side note, regarding your engine out glide, I = have a confession to make as well. After completing my Lycoming powered = Long EZ, with about 20 hours total time on the aircraft, I heard a loud = vibrating sound coming from either the airframe or the engine = compartment. A quick check of oil temp and pressure looked OK, but I had = already pointed the nose toward the nearest airport, about 2 miles away. = Descending from 8000 feet, I announced my precautionary landing = intentions, pulled the mixture at 7000 feet, and glided in uneventfully = to the airstrip, where I also was met by a few curious pilots or fellow = flying enthusiasts, who helped pull the aircraft to the hangar. Turned = out that the new vinyl tape that I adheredd to the bottom of the wing = which covered the wing bolt access holes started coming off, and = vibrated much like a playing card in a bicycle spoke, like we did as = kids. Of course, through the hollow spar, it really echoed and resonated = loud. We all had a good laugh, and all agreed that it is far better to = land and check out the insignificant than to try to continue on with the = significant. Thanks for sharing your experience. Paul Conner, 13b = powered SQ2000 almost finished.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C398E7.B946D440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 = 11:12=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sigh! = Another=20 engine out Glide!

 
From:=20 Finn=20 Lassen
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, = 2003 10:59=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Sigh! Another=20 engine out Glide!

Yep, I read that too.

However, the point is we want more = on=20 board, not scare them away, right?

Need to somehow balance = the=20 negative with the positive.

On the other hand, the fewer = using the=20 rotary the more spare engines will still be available. So scare = away!=20

Finn

Well, Finn,  I see it a bit different at = this point=20 in time.  This is still the "experimentation" phase with a lot = of=20 unknowns.    I have had a few folks tell me that my=20 experiences helped decide them against the rotary.  That is = great as=20 far as I am concerned.  People need to know there are not=20 inconsiderable risks associated with this hobby.  You can get = injured=20 or worst!
 
I would much rather have somebody = fully aware=20 of the risks when they make that decision.  If they then feel=20 uncomfortable with that level of risk then they are smart to stay = away in my=20 opinion.  However, not being that smart myself, I continue = despite a=20 few incidents.  The negative is they happened, the positive is = nothing=20 happened!
 
I try to minimize my risk as best I = can. =20 But the only way I see to eliminate it is to stop flying = period.  Then=20 I'd probably slip in the shower {:>)
 
Hey, look at the bright side, I = seemed to=20 attract over my quota of mishaps/incidents perhaps that means = someone else=20 is getting a free ride (not mentioning any names you know=20 {:>))
 
I understand your point, Finn, but = just don't=20 necessarily feel that we should keep quit about these incidents - I = know you=20 didn't mean that anyhow.
 
See you at Shady Bend
 
Ed
 
I agree, Ed.....as a side note, = regarding your=20 engine out glide, I have a confession to make as well.  After=20 completing my Lycoming powered Long EZ, with about 20 hours total = time on=20 the aircraft, I heard a loud vibrating sound coming from either the = airframe=20 or the engine compartment. A quick check of oil temp and pressure = looked OK,=20 but I had already pointed the nose toward the nearest airport, about = 2 miles=20 away. Descending from 8000 feet, I announced my precautionary = landing=20 intentions, pulled the mixture at 7000 feet, and glided in = uneventfully to=20 the airstrip, where I also was met by a few curious pilots or fellow = flying=20 enthusiasts, who helped pull the aircraft to the hangar.  = Turned out=20 that the new vinyl tape that I adheredd to the bottom of the wing = which=20 covered the wing bolt access holes started coming off, and vibrated = much=20 like a playing card in a bicycle spoke, like we did as kids. Of = course,=20 through the hollow spar, it really echoed and resonated loud.  = We all=20 had a good laugh, and all agreed that it is far better to land and = check out=20 the insignificant than to try to continue on with the significant. = Thanks=20 for sharing your experience.  Paul Conner, 13b powered SQ2000 = almost=20 finished.
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