X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.193] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTPS id 2580534 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:36:52 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.193; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d211-31-252-127.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.31.252.127]) by mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id lBE5Ztsc020014 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:36:02 +1100 Message-ID: <002901c83e13$3798ca40$7ffc1fd3@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: HCCi Engine Technology Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:35:56 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C83E67.0524A3A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C83E67.0524A3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lynn and Bill, I googled it, which I should have done initially and some sites stated = it had been around for about 30 years. I guess they didn't really need = it then. I tell my Son, back in 1967 I remember getting fuel for 5 = cents a liter or 20 cents a gallon - he can't believe it. I guess that's = 40 years ago, but you know what I mean. Does anyone remember what it = cost in the US in 1967. I had a look at one site and they showed a computer generated fuel burn = progression, HCCI was a lot faster, and in all areas at the same time. = One site suggested it worked best with DI. George (down under) Their comments on the technology are as mentioned before either high = compression or intake heating are required. Supercharging or intake is = also a way to high cylinder pressure. Right now they say that the = trouble for the tech is controlling the timing event. They say the = system works well but doesn't transition to high load well. Right now = another hopeful technology that's not ready quite yet. Bill Jepson About 30 years ago a guy named Yanuck built a V-2 from part of a small = block Chevy. It had a small turbo to maintain positive inlet pressure = and the exhaust system strung through the inlet manifold. It was mounted = in an old Mercury Capri. It would pull away from a stop at near zero RPM = in top gear. It had the Capri carb. Got great milage. Never detonated. = Was quiet. GM engineers drove it with him in the seat beside them. One couldn't = believe that the exhaust system was coiled inside the intake, so he put = his hand on it and burned himself comprehensively.=20 Smokey was paid to work on various projects for GM. This car and = engine were not on the GM list, and was all Smokys ideas. He wanted to = maintain control of the idea, and GM wanted to buy it outright. So = instead of buying a license from Smokey and being the top of the heap = today, GM shoved the pistol down behind their belt buckle and pulled the = trigger. Smokey disassembled the engine and crushed the car. The superheated = intake idea and its refined effective systems died with smokey. And = still the struggle goes on to achieve what has been done so long ago.=20 Lynn E. Hanover ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes = (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004)=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1181 - Release Date: = 11/12/2007 5:05 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C83E67.0524A3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Lynn and = Bill,
I googled it, which I should have done = initially=20 and some sites stated it had been around for about 30 years. I guess = they didn't=20 really need it then.  I tell my Son, back in 1967 I remember = getting fuel=20 for 5 cents a liter or 20 cents a gallon - he can't believe it. I guess = that's=20 40 years ago, but you know what I mean. Does anyone remember what it = cost in the=20 US in 1967.
 I had a look at one site and they = showed a=20 computer generated fuel burn progression, HCCI was a lot faster, and in = all=20 areas at the same time. One site suggested it worked best with = DI.
George (down under)
 
 
Their comments on the technology are = as mentioned=20 before either high compression or intake heating are required. = Supercharging or=20 intake is also a way to high cylinder pressure. Right now they say that = the=20 trouble for the tech is controlling the timing event. They say the = system works=20 well but doesn't transition to high load well. Right now another hopeful = technology that's not ready quite yet.
Bill Jepson


About=20 30 years ago a guy named Yanuck built a V-2 from part of a small block = Chevy.=20 It had a small turbo to maintain positive inlet pressure and the = exhaust=20 system strung through the inlet manifold. It was mounted in an old = Mercury=20 Capri. It would pull away from a stop at near zero RPM in top gear. It = had the=20 Capri carb. Got great milage. Never detonated. Was quiet.
GM = engineers=20 drove it with him in the seat beside them. One couldn't believe that = the=20 exhaust system was coiled inside the intake, so he put his hand on it = and=20 burned himself comprehensively.
Smokey was paid to work on various = projects for GM. This car and engine were not on the GM list, and was = all=20 Smokys ideas. He wanted to maintain control of the idea, and GM wanted = to buy=20 it outright. So instead of buying a license from Smokey and being the = top of=20 the heap today, GM shoved the pistol down behind their belt buckle and = pulled=20 the trigger.

Smokey disassembled the engine and crushed the = car. The=20 superheated intake idea and its refined effective systems died with = smokey.=20 And still the struggle goes on to achieve what has been done so long = ago.=20

Lynn E.=20 = Hanover


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