Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #40345
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Rebutal to the rebutal {:>) Thick vs Thin was : Diffuser Configuration Comparison
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:45:21 -0800
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Ed;

 

I swore after the last one, it was my last on this subject. But, OK; one more. This is all a bit like the three blind men describing an elephant.  None are necessarily wrong, just different points of view.

Let’s look at it from a sort of systems approach: First I calculate the heat load.  Then I determine the mass flow rate of air I need using a certain delta T; one that I know is ‘reasonable’ - or even optimum (radiator size and weight, etc.), based on other analyses which we haven’t/won’t go into, but a number between 50 and about 80F is good based on the OAT and coolant temps we deal with.  We already know how to compute the mass flow rate.

 1st addressing your statement regarding the inlet sizing. 

 

Assuming that selecting your inlet opening size controls mass flow is incomplete.  It is the total pressure loss for the entire duct (and core) which combined with the available freestream kinetic energy (due to velocity) that  determines mass flow  I can make changes to any of the intake, diffuser, core, and outlet and make changes in the mass flow - so its not just the inlet. 

 

Then I compute the required opening area of my ram scoop based on the velocity of the incoming air; the speed of the airplane at the design point; generally a fast climb. Area x velocity = mass flow rate.  The ram scoop is not necessarily 100% efficient, so add maybe 10% to the area.  Now, yes, that is incomplete; but on first order, unless I do something wrong that causes the scoop to spill air (like poor diffuser design or too thick a radiator), then it is complete - that is the mass flow rate.  Only changes I make that cause air to spill around the scoop is going to change that; so on this macro view I can ignore the details of the diffuser of which you are more expert than I.

 

Now if I have a well designed diffuser with an area ratio of say about 4+ I know that the pressure recovery will be greater than the pressure drop through the rad, so all that air is going through. Right? Well; here is where we have to start thinking about both the thickness and the density of the core because the pressure drop through the core must be less than the amount of pressure recovery – and is why I say that talking thickness without specifying core density and diffuser ratio is ‘incomplete’ because they depend on one another. 

 

But back to fist order; given the conditions of adequate pressure recovery the flow rate is fixed.

 

2nd regarding the deltaT "swap" I made: 

I do not agree that you need to compare on the basis of same mass flow or deltaT - the only factor that really matters is that the needed heat be removed.  There are a large combinations of mass flow and deltaT that will remove X amount of heat. True, but:

 

The design point heat load is fixed, the mass flow rate is fixed; therefore the delta T is fixed (see formula used for computing the the flow rate in the first place.)

 

Now, given these conditions; we can look at thick vs thin.  We can have a large frontal area, slow velocity through the core, and have pressure left over for accelerating the air back toward free stream (along with the heat energy that we pick up which gives velocity by expansion); or we can make the core thicker up to the limit of the pressure recovery that we have achieved; and have no remaining pressure at the core exit. But keep in mind that the have a fixed scoop area for the speed we designed for; and the frontal area of the rad is the other area in the diffuser ratio; so making the rad smaller and thicker both cut into the available pressure recovery. When we reach that limit where we have used all the available pressure recovery; we have no pressure left over to accelerate the air back to something closer to that at which it came in.

 

Because of the effects of the velocity on heat transfer, as well as pressure drop, there does happen to be a rad pressure drop (thickness) that results in minimum drag – just as there is a corresponding delta T that results in minimum mass of the core (all other things equal; i.e., properly designed).

 

Now the big caveat - It is clear here that to take advantage of the less pressure drop in the thin rad to reduce drag, we have to have an exit configuration that efficiently re-accelerates the air.  If not, or if we going to release the exit air into the free stream at a negligibly small velocity, then it’s a different ball game.  Then from a drag standpoint there may be little difference, and that using a radiator thickness (pressure drop) that exhausts the pressure recovery, may be the way to go for fitting into a confined space.

 

So there ya go; cooling system design in a nutshell; minus all the magicJ.

 

Al G

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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