Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #40266
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Total,duct, Ambient or Velocity????
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:46:24 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Yes, Jarrett,  it would be very  interesting to design a cooling system using CFD, fabricate, install and test it to see the results. 
 
Ed
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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:40 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Total,duct, Ambient or Velocity????

> But, semantics aside, yes, I agree, lower exit pressure is what
> you are after and that does not always equate to larger exit duct
> area.  In fact, if the air heated by the core flows through a
> nozzle it might even produce thrust and lower exit pressure using
> a smaller exit.  But, in general, I still believe that in most of
> our cases, we are short of the level of duct design that would
> reliably permit that.  What we need is someone to invest in one of
> those $$$$ Computer Fluid Flow software programs and see what they
> would reveal.
>
> Ed
>
>
> Ed,
>
> I have to disagree with the big $$$ CFD idea. Until I see proper
> exit ducts and every effort made to do things right inlet
> wise....CFD is a waste of time. I have yet to see an installation
> at the level of refinement where CFD would start to make sense.
> You can get to 90% of optimum by following a few simple guidelines
> and some fairly simple math.
>
> 1.) do a heat balance at the cruise condition to figure out how
> much air you need to ingest.
>
> 2.) Size your inlet appropriately.
>
> 3.) Provide a real exit duct.
>
> 4.) Use a cowl flap.
>
> 5.) Do some testing with oil and tufts to make improvements.
>
> A properly done CFD will only get you another 5% beyond these
> simple steps that are within reach of mere mortals. In fact if the
> guy/gal doing the CFD work is not intimately familiar with the
> situation and what sort of assumptions to make/conditions to
> assign it is very likely that the results will be less successful
> that the empirical method.
>
> In other words CFD=decimal dust.
>
>
> Monty

Well.. I haven't spent $$$ on it but SolidWorks now comes w/ a version of

CosmosFloWorks in the package in 2008..  I've got the software so I may give it

a whirl.. I was waiting to test it before I commented but.. since people are talking

directly about it..  :-)

 

Jarrett

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