Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #40228
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Total,duct, Ambient or Velocity????
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:05:45 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Bill,
 
It is my opinion, based on my limited knowledge of the topic, that dynamic pressure in the duct is the most significant factor.  If you don't have it - you have no flow.  If you do have it you will have flow but you could have significant Major losses - that's why you may need other types of pressure measurements to figure out the problem.  In fluid flow talk, they appear to refer to loss of energy through  wall friction as a major loss as it is not recoverable (but this is minor at our speeds) , while trades between dynamic and static in the duct result in "minor" losses which may or may not really be minor.
 
Here is my understanding, you would like to convert dynamic energy to static pressure increase in front of the core as that slows down the velocity reducing drag and tends to give you more even velocity distribution across the core (assuming little or no separation of flow from the duct walls).  You would like the greatest pressure drop across the core which results in the highest velocity through the core tubes generating turbulence for better heat transfer.
 
  However, there is a balancing point, more pressure drop generally means better heat transfer from metal to air, however, it also generally means less mass flow because of the resistance.  Too much pressure drop = too little mass flow and overheating, too little pressure drop = great mass flow but higher duct drag and less heat transfer per unit time which can also lead to overheating. 
 
I like to use this example  to emphasize the point.  You would get maximum pressure drop by placing a solid board across the duct - however, the air flow would be nil and cooling likewise.  On the other hand, if you remove all obstructions in the duct (including the core) , the pressure drop would be nil,  the airflow would be maximum but cooling would still be nil.  The only significant  difference is the  no core approach is cheaper and causes less drag {:>)
 
In any case, all the literature I have read seems to indicate that the difference in pressure between the inlet and out let of the duct is a (if not THE) key factor.  That dynamic pressure is the only thing (assuming no fans/blowers) that will move significant air through the duct.  Since this dynamic pressure is referenced to the dynamic pressure available in the freestream flow as that is what it starts out as, I personally think referencing dynamic pressure measurements to ambient air is what we are mainly interested.  This is  rather than referencing it to the duct static pressure as shown in the diagram.  But, you have to remember this is all from  the guy who has not done any duct instrumentation.
 
But, my reason for focusing on dynamic pressure  is that  you can infer a lot from your duct dynamic pressure readings about what is going on in the duct.  If your dynamic pressure is down, then your static pressure is up and vice versa. If you have dynamic pressure then you have flow while static pressure does not necessarily tell you that. 
 
However, it all really depends on what you are trying to figure out on what measurements you take.
It would appear if you know how to interpret what you are measuring then all provide some useful information.
 
That's about the extent of my limited knowledge.
 
Ed
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:28 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Total,duct, Ambient or Velocity????

Ed, The slide is a good way to explain the various references. I am still confused as to what will give you the "best" data. The static in duct pressure compared to the total, or to the velocity?  It probably doesn't matter if you use the same method all the time.
Bill Jepson
 




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