X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [66.219.56.248] (HELO qnsi-xch.qnsi.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2452252 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:16:22 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.219.56.248; envelope-from=bhughes@qnsi.net Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Return-Receipt-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C81D73.ECE0C17A" Disposition-Notification-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: MAP port location \ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:15:07 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: MAP port location \ Thread-Index: Acgdac2m0MqSmiwaTfC+E3y8gbOxSwACZeBg From: "Bobby J. Hughes" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C81D73.ECE0C17A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lynn =20 If I sized the pulley correct it will be impossible for me to run over 4 pounds. Normalization to 8k is the goal with maybe 1-2 pounds if temps are good. At that point I should be equal to a IO540 at same altitude. =20 Bobby ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lehanover@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:02 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: MAP port location \=20 In a message dated 11/2/2007 8:57:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bhughes@qnsi.net writes: =09 George, =20 Mazfix and Mazsport are both boosting to 280hp at the wheels. http://mazfix.com.au/perfproducts/rx8_upgrades.html. Pettit Racing is seeing 270+ with 5-8#'s http://www.pettitracing.com/rx8/index.htm My goal has always been to match the IO540 at 8000ft and have a much lighter plane with new engine. No doubt I will be giving up some HP without the intercooler. One percent for every 10 degrees I think. If my cooling ducts and exit area work as planned I may add an intercooler. The goal now is to get the engine started and flying by summer.=20 =20 =20 Bobby RV10=20 The power available on a dyno pass lasting 15 seconds tops, is a long long way from the usable power=20 for a long climb to altitude in an airplane. The rate of heat rejection must be huge. This is the downfall of the turbo engine. When coolant temps go up, sensors back off the timing to prevent detonation.=20 =20 Detonation is charge temperature dependant. The higher the temperature the more likely you are to see detonation. No inter-cooler means higher charge temperatures.=20 =20 The effective compression ratio of a normally aspirated engine goes down as RPM goes up because the ability to fully fill the cylinder with mixture is limited by port open times going down. So ignition timing is just not critical. =20 Not the case with a boosted engine. Effective compression ratio can go up with RPM, so, usually=20 boosted engines have less than 8.5:1 rotors. Starting with 10:1 rotors and no inter-cooler, limits total boost, and timing control and boost control must be precise. Perhaps boosting just to maintain sea level performance would be a less expensive path......... =20 Apex seals are very hard, and will damage the turbo on the way out. =20 Lynn E. Hanover =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ See what's new at AOL.com = and Make AOL Your Homepage . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C81D73.ECE0C17A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lynn
 
If I sized = the pulley=20 correct it will be impossible for me to run over 4 pounds.  = Normalization=20 to 8k is the goal with maybe 1-2 pounds if temps are good. At that point = I=20 should be equal to a IO540 at same altitude.
 
Bobby


From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 Lehanover@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:02=20 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re:=20 MAP port location \

In a message dated 11/2/2007 8:57:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 bhughes@qnsi.net writes:
George,
 
Mazfix and Mazsport are both boosting to 280hp at the = wheels. http://mazfi= x.com.au/perfproducts/rx8_upgrades.html. =20 Pettit Racing is seeing 270+ with 5-8#'s  http://www.pettitracin= g.com/rx8/index.htm=20  My goal has always been to match the IO540 at 8000ft and have a = much=20 lighter plane with new engine. No doubt I will be giving up some = HP=20 without the intercooler. One percent for every 10 degrees I = think.=20 If my cooling ducts and exit area work as planned I may add an = intercooler.=20 The goal now is to get the engine started and flying by summer.=20
 
 
Bobby
RV10
The power available on a dyno pass lasting 15 seconds tops, is a = long long=20 way from the usable power
for a long climb to altitude in an airplane. The rate of heat = rejection=20 must be huge. This is the downfall of the turbo engine. When coolant = temps go=20 up, sensors back off the timing to prevent detonation.
 
Detonation is charge temperature dependant. The higher the = temperature the=20 more likely you are to see detonation. No inter-cooler means higher = charge=20 temperatures.
 
The effective compression ratio of a normally aspirated engine goes = down as=20 RPM goes up because the ability to fully fill the cylinder with mixture = is=20 limited by port open times going down. So ignition timing is just not=20 critical.
 
 Not the case with a boosted engine. Effective compression = ratio can=20 go up with RPM, so, usually
boosted engines have less than 8.5:1 rotors. Starting with 10:1 = rotors and=20 no inter-cooler, limits total boost, and timing control and boost = control=20 must be precise. Perhaps boosting just to maintain sea level performance = would=20 be a less expensive path.........
 
Apex seals are very hard, and will damage the turbo on the way = out.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
  
 
 




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