X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nlpi029.prodigy.net ([207.115.36.58] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2450663 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:30:31 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.36.58; envelope-from=Panzera@Experimental-Aviation.com X-ORBL: [76.250.177.126] Received: from cdibmpat (adsl-76-250-177-126.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net [76.250.177.126]) by nlpi029.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA1JTiAX005077 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:29:51 -0500 From: "Patrick Panzera" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Copperstate Fly-in report (interim) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:29:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c81cbd$8f18c120$1501a8c0@cd.constructiondesigns.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C81C82.E2B9E920" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgcrEeGUfUUOAfZRdWK7LVeWtZgzQABt8yw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C81C82.E2B9E920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As an interesting tidbit. CONTACT! Magazine has hosted the alternative engine forums tent at COPPERSTATE (as well as SnF) for close to 15 years. I took over the magazine a little over five years ago and kept the tradition alive. Several weeks ago I received the below note from the Forums Chairman. >> Hi, Pat, >> >> Joel Mayhall called me today on behalf of Paul Lamar. Paul wants to >> present a forum on Mazda rotary engines. Do you have room for him? He >> requested a Saturday morning time slot (just like everybody else), >> but we can put him where we have room. I have never met him and don't >> know his level of expertise. Joel gave Paul's website as >> www.rotaryeng.net and his e-mail address as rotaryeng@earthlink.net. >> I haven't looked at his website yet. >> >> I told Joel I would pass the information to you. I'll let you decide >> if he's a legitimate resource for our forums program. Joel's e-mail >> address is jmay2174@yahoo.com, in case you need to contact him. >> >> If you have a partial schedule of engine forums, may I have a copy to >> put on the COPPERSTATE website? >> >> Thanks for your help and hard work. >> >> Regards, >> >> Lynn So I fired off a note to Paul. >> Patrick Panzera wrote: >> > Hi Paul, >> > >> > Can we slot you for Friday @ 1pm? >> > Are you up for more time slots? >> > >> > What title(s) would you like to have printed in the program? >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > Pat Paul then wrote me back. (Note the lack of a greeting) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rotary Engine [mailto:rotaryeng@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:29 PM >> To: Patrick Panzera >> Subject: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE Engine forum >> >> I don't know right now. >> >> However if it is under the guise or title of alternative engines I >> would not be interested. It all depends on how the schedule reads. >> >> Paul It's ALWAYS under the guise and title alternative engines, so I relied thus... (all communications were cc'd to the Forums Chairman) >From: Patrick Panzera >Sent: Sep 28, 2007 5:14 PM >To: 'Lynn Wesley' , editor@contactmagazine.com >Cc: jharlow86@msn.com, rotaryeng@earthlink.net >Subject: RE: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE Engine forum > >Sorry to have bothered you Paul. > >I was under the impression that you asked to be scheduled, I didn't >realize strings were attached. > >Pat This is from the Forums Chairman, who is a little more diplomatic than I can be. Paul, In response to Joel's phone call, we are offering you the opportunity to present a forum on rotary engines at the COPPERSTATE Fly-In. We have tentatively scheduled you at 1 pm on Friday, October 26 in Forum Tent 5. If you would like to present more than once, we do have other slots available. To clarify a bit, the aviation industry appears to have a practice of referring to any powerplant other than a certified aircraft engine as an alternative engine. In my own personal opinion, that may change as development continues and engines presently called "alternative" outnumber the traditional certified engines. We'll see how things play out. As I stated earlier, we have tentatively scheduled you for one forum on Friday. If you would like to change that, please let us know. I look forward to seeing you at COPPERSTATE. Regards, Lynn Wesley 2007 COPPERSTATE Forums Chairman Paul then seemed to backpedal a little, again no greeting. >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Rotary Engine >> >Sent: Sep 29, 2007 11:56 PM >> >To: Lynn Wesley >> >Cc: Chuck Dunlap , Tom Parkes >> >, >> David Leonard >> >Subject: Re: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE Engine forum >> > >> >I would rather not make a commitment at this time. I may be >> >traveling over seas on business. >> > >> >I suggest you contact one of these people that are likely to fly >> >their rotary engine powered airplane to copper state. >> > >> >Chuck Dunlap RV6 Chuck Dunlap >> >Tom Parkes Lancair ES turbo Tom Parkes >> >Dave Leonard RV6 turbo David Leonard >> > >> >Paul Lamar So Lynn let him off the hook. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lynn Wesley [mailto:lwesley1@peoplepc.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:00 AM >> To: Rotary Engine >> Cc: Chuck Dunlap; Tom Parkes; David Leonard; jharlow86@msn.com; >> editor@contactmagazine.com; panzera@experimental-aviation.com >> Subject: Re: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE Engine forum >> >> OK. Thanks for the information, Paul. If not at COPPERSTATE, perhaps >> I'll get to meet you some other time. >> >> Pat, would you please see if one or more of these gentlemen would >> like to share their experience and expertise? >> >> Regards, >> >> Lynn W. What a pain in the rear! Lynn and I are done with him. He pulled similar stuff last year too. Pat ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C81C82.E2B9E920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As an interesting = tidbit…

 

CONTACT! Magazine has hosted the = alternative engine forums tent at COPPERSTATE (as well as SnF) for close to 15 = years.

I took over the magazine a little = over five years ago and kept the tradition = alive.

 

Several weeks ago I received the = below note from the Forums Chairman.

 

>> Hi, Pat,

>>

>> Joel Mayhall called me today on behalf of = Paul Lamar. Paul wants to

>> present a forum on Mazda rotary engines. Do = you have room for him? He

>> requested a Saturday morning time slot (just = like everybody else),

>> but we can put him where we have room. I have = never met him and don't

>> know his level of expertise. Joel gave Paul's website as

>> www.rotaryeng.net and his e-mail address as rotaryeng@earthlink.net.

>> I haven't looked at his website = yet.

>>

>> I told Joel I would pass the information to = you. I'll let you decide

>> if he's a legitimate resource for our forums program. Joel's e-mail

>> address is jmay2174@yahoo.com, in case you = need to contact him.

>>

>> If you have a partial schedule of engine = forums, may I have a copy to

>> put on the COPPERSTATE = website?

>>

>> Thanks for your help and hard = work.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Lynn

 

So I fired off a note to = Paul.

 

>> Patrick Panzera = wrote:

>> > Hi Paul,

>> >

>> > Can we slot you for Friday @ = 1pm?

>> > Are you up for more time = slots?

>> >

>> > What title(s) would you like to have = printed in the program?

>> >

>> > Thanks!

>> >

>> > Pat

 

Paul then wrote me = back.

(Note the lack of a = greeting)

 

>> -----Original = Message-----

>> From: Rotary Engine [mailto:rotaryeng@earthlink.net]

>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:29 = PM

>> To: Patrick = Panzera

>> Subject: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE Engine = forum

>>

>> I don't know right = now.

>>

>> However if it is under the guise or title of alternative engines I

>> would not be interested. It all depends on = how the schedule reads.

>>

>> Paul

 

It’s ALWAYS under the guise = and title alternative engines, so I relied = thus...

(all communications were cc’d = to the Forums Chairman)

 

>From: Patrick Panzera <Panzera@Experimental-Aviation.com>

>Sent: Sep 28, 2007 5:14 = PM

>To: 'Lynn = Wesley' <lwesley1@peoplepc.com>, = editor@contactmagazine.com

>Cc: jharlow86@msn.com, rotaryeng@earthlink.net

>Subject: RE: PRIVATE  COPPERSTATE Engine = forum

> 

>Sorry to have bothered you = Paul.

> 

>I was under the impression that you asked to be scheduled, I didn't

>realize strings were = attached.

> 

>Pat

 

This is from the Forums Chairman, who is a little more diplomatic than I can = be.

 

Paul,

 

In response to Joel's phone call, we are offering you = the opportunity to present a forum on rotary engines at the COPPERSTATE = Fly-In. We have tentatively scheduled you at 1 pm on Friday, October 26 in Forum = Tent 5. If you would like to present more than once, we do have other slots = available.

 

To clarify a bit, the aviation industry appears to = have a practice of referring to any powerplant other than a certified aircraft = engine as an alternative engine. In my own personal opinion, that may change as development continues and engines presently called = "alternative" outnumber the traditional certified engines. We'll see how things play = out.

 

As I stated earlier, we have tentatively scheduled you = for one forum on Friday. If you would like to change that, please let us = know.

 

I look forward to seeing you at = COPPERSTATE.

 

Regards,

 

Lynn = Wesley

2007 COPPERSTATE Forums = Chairman

 

Paul then seemed to backpedal a little, again no greeting.

 

>> -----Original = Message-----

>> >From: Rotary Engine <rotaryeng@earthlink.net>

>> >Sent: Sep 29, 2007 11:56 = PM

>> >To: Lynn = Wesley <lwesley1@peoplepc.com>

>> >Cc: Chuck Dunlap = <crayd@cableone.net>, Tom Parkes

>> = ><tkpark@cableone.net>,

>> David Leonard = <wdleonard@gmail.com>

>> >Subject: Re: PRIVATE  COPPERSTATE = Engine forum

>> >

>> >I would rather not make a commitment at = this time. I may be

>> >traveling over seas on = business.

>> >

>> >I suggest you contact one of these people = that are likely to fly

>> >their rotary engine powered airplane to = copper state.

>> >

>> >Chuck Dunlap RV6           &nbs= p;      Chuck Dunlap <crayd@cableone.net>

>> >Tom Parkes   Lancair ES turbo = Tom Parkes <tkpark@cableone.net>

>> >Dave Leonard RV6 turbo           &n= bsp; David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>

>> >

>> >Paul Lamar

 

So Lynn let him = off the hook.

 

>> -----Original = Message-----

>> From: Lynn = Wesley [mailto:lwesley1@peoplepc.com]

>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:00 = AM

>> To: Rotary = Engine

>> Cc: Chuck Dunlap; Tom Parkes; David Leonard; = jharlow86@msn.com; =

>> editor@contactmagazine.com; panzera@experimental-aviation.com

>> Subject: Re: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE Engine = forum

>>

>> OK. Thanks for the information, Paul. If not = at COPPERSTATE, perhaps

>> I'll get to meet you some other = time.

>>

>> Pat, would you please see if one or more of = these gentlemen would

>> like to share their experience and = expertise?

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Lynn W.

 

What a pain in the rear!

Lynn and I are done with him.

He pulled similar stuff last year too.

 =

Pat=

 

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