X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.115] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with SMTP id 2178765 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:33:09 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.199.115; envelope-from=mike.lafleur@sbcglobal.net Received: (qmail 77116 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2007 13:32:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=vlT2C/R8kRGQUNAl2N8hVIi7d3Sa2+8nie7N12AIiYQiVOgES9AJkQTd15hVHhPy2hdsAiXluf0W9aPbMPeiZagIUvnC0r8LMOc+O/Qvh82Mk5MchCDqkBu8stdks8ud/wOsWqcHLyW05ZmzIsQzrY5kAEoty8eeuWxafehtlWs=; X-YMail-OSG: sOzKuYsVM1lT.2Fq8yGck6utlo4X4hfCxW5dolbR5YxA7xXju5gTBkNX3ecJzFPRXA2vcF_xhDR5GYpfW0l3jzKOAud3Qv9qn9r92dpnjxUlfpthuKc- Received: from [68.248.1.0] by web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 06:32:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.38 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.16 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 06:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael LaFleur Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: The adventures of Chris and Dave.. To: Rotary motors in aircraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-518527251-1184506350=:76699" Message-ID: <912734.76699.qm@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-518527251-1184506350=:76699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii No problems so far... It's the recommended sealant now for all mating parts on Mercedes engines. Mike LaFleur ----- Original Message ---- From: Dale Rogers To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:17:59 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The adventures of Chris and Dave.. Mike, How easily do things come apart, months or years later? One of my pet gripes about Permantex was the folks who used #1 to "fix" broken gaskets, such as rocker cover gaskets. I usually had to use a die grinder to get smooth mating surfaces for reassembly. Not fun. Dale R. Michael LaFleur wrote: I was going to post this to Chris & Dave, but I'll post to all instead. The BEST sealant I've used in my various engine rebuilds, timing cover, water pump, oil pan replacements, etc, is: Loctite 5900, Mercedes Benz part number 002-989-73-20-10 It's about $10-12 from the dealer if I recall correctly. Nothing I've ever used it on has leaked. Mike LaFleur ----- Original Message ---- From: Bulent Aliev To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:38:45 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The adventures of Chris and Dave.. > > On a side note.. I have determined that when I was building I led > myself to believe that the oil pan did not require a gasket, and > that sealant was adequate. In my installation this has proven to be > completely and utterly false. The gaskets are on order, and we will > be lifting the engine up a few inches to drop the pan, scrape > sealant and re-install with gaskets on both sides of the sandwich > plate. The leaks appear to be coming from the upper side of the > sandwich mount/engine interface, where oil spills over during its > return to the pan. Dave, I had leaks too, when I used the recommended gray silicone. Switched to Permatex #2 black sealant and had zero leaks after that. I used it on oil pan and water pump assembly. Gray silicone did not give me any time to work with and squeezed remains later will brake off and plug things. Mazda oil pan gaskets are very expensive. I bought some cork/buna rubber gasket material from McMaster Carr and cut my own. Smear some Permatex on both sides and assemble.. No leaks. Buly -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --0-518527251-1184506350=:76699 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ascii
No problems so far...

It's the recommended sealant now for all mating parts on Mercedes engines.

Mike LaFleur

----- Original Message ----
From: Dale Rogers <dale.r@cox.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:17:59 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The adventures of Chris and Dave..

Mike,

   How easily do things come apart, months or years later?  One of my
pet gripes about Permantex was the folks who used #1 to "fix" broken
gaskets, such as rocker cover gaskets.  I usually had to use a die
grinder to get smooth mating surfaces for reassembly.  Not fun.

Dale R.

Michael LaFleur wrote:
I was going to post this to Chris & Dave, but I'll post to all instead.

The BEST sealant I've used in my various engine rebuilds, timing cover, water pump, oil pan replacements, etc, is:

Loctite 5900, Mercedes Benz part number 002-989-73-20-10

It's about $10-12 from the dealer if I recall correctly. Nothing I've ever used it on has leaked.

Mike LaFleur

----- Original Message ----
From: Bulent Aliev <atlasyts@bellsouth.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:38:45 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The adventures of Chris and Dave..

>
> On a side note.. I have determined that when I was building I led  
> myself to believe that the oil pan did not require a gasket, and  
> that sealant was adequate. In my installation this has proven to be  
> completely and utterly false. The gaskets are on order, and we will  
> be lifting the engine up a few inches to drop the pan, scrape  
> sealant and re-install with gaskets on both sides of the sandwich  
> plate. The leaks appear to be coming from the upper side of the  
> sandwich mount/engine interface, where oil spills over during its  
> return to the pan.

Dave, I had leaks too, when I used the recommended gray silicone.  
Switched to Permatex #2 black sealant and had zero leaks after that.  
I used it on oil pan and water pump assembly. Gray silicone did not  
give me any time to work with and squeezed remains later will brake  
off and plug things.
Mazda oil pan gaskets are very expensive. I bought some cork/buna  
rubber gasket material from McMaster Carr and cut my own.
Smear some Permatex on both sides and assemble.. No leaks.
Buly

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