X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.189] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTPS id 2148635 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:07:38 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.189; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-145-188.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.145.188]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id l5TM6pY6017806 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:06:53 +1000 Message-ID: <001601c7ba99$d06dae00$bc91ecdc@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: PP construction methods Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:06:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C7BAED.A0D33440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C7BAED.A0D33440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep! I missed that one Kelly. I'd like to know as well Bob! George ( down under) Bob, Do you recall the I.D. of the injection tubes you used and were you=20 running a 12a or 13B ?? -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 -------------- Original message from bmears9413@aol.com: = --------------=20 I built P Ports by just drilling a hole through the housing, = squeeezingin a diesel injection=C2 tube, and epoxy fill the entire water = chamber it is drilled through. ran that little motor on the street for = years and it never leaked. =C2=20 Bob Mears Supermarine spitfire -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sohn=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 8:54 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: PP construction methods =C2=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Russell Duffy=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] PP construction methods Greetings, =C2=20 One of the things that's always bothered me about making a PP = housing is leakage.=C2 I've heard very experienced folks say that = eventually, any PP housing you make will leak, and it's easy for me to = imagine=C2 that happening.=C2 I don't think I've heard the same thing = about factory housings though.=C2 How are the ports installed in the = factory PP housing?=C2=20 =C2=20 The other problem with a conversion is the side ports.=C2 I know = people fill these with their favorite epoxy, but I'd worry about that = coming loose, and getting into the rotor.=C2 How much=C2 would it hurt = the PP operation if you just sealed the ports on the outside of the side = housings with a plate where the intake would have been?=C2 =C2=20 =C2=20 Cheers, Rusty =C2=20 Rusty, =C2=20 I have run my PP on the single rotor for about 25hrs throug all = sorts of heat cycles and never had a problem with leaking. Keep in mind = that my insert is held in place by a flange with two bolts, so the JB = only seals, it does not do the holding.=20 I certainly would never want to depend on JB for holding the = insert in place. =C2=20 On your question with the open side port, one of the side ports = was open during the same test period, closed on the outside. Never = observed any negative effect, however, it never ran max RPM. The highest = was 5000RPM. I have closed that port now for the next test runs. =C2=20 FWIW. =C2=20 =C2=20 =C2=20 =C2=20 =C2=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: = 6/19/2007 1:12 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's = free from AOL at AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C7BAED.A0D33440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yep! I missed that one = Kelly.
I'd like to know as well = Bob!
George ( down under)
Bob,
  Do you recall the I.D. of the injection tubes you used and = were=20 you
running a 12a or 13B ??
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke = Delta"_13B=20 ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold=20




--------------=20 Original message from bmears9413@aol.com: = --------------=20

I built P Ports by just drilling a hole through the housing,=20 squeeezingin a diesel injection=C2 tube, and epoxy fill the entire = water=20 chamber it is drilled through. ran that little motor on the street = for years=20 and it never leaked.
=C2
Bob Mears
Supermarine spitfire


-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Richard Sohn
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20
Sent: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 8:54 = am
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: PP construction methods

=C2
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Russell=20 Duffy
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, = 2007 7:19=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] PP = construction=20 methods

Greetings,
=C2=20
One of = the things=20 that's always bothered me about making a PP housing is leakage.=C2 = I've=20 heard very experienced folks say that eventually, any PP housing = you make=20 will leak, and it's easy for me to imagine=C2 that happening.=C2 I = don't think=20 I've heard the same thing about factory housings though.=C2=20 How are the=20 ports installed in the factory PP housing?=C2
=C2=20
The other = problem=20 with a conversion is the side ports.=C2 I know people fill these = with their=20 favorite epoxy, but I'd worry about that coming loose, and getting = into=20 the rotor.=C2 How much=C2 would it hurt the PP operation if you = just sealed=20 the ports on the outside of the side housings with a plate where = the=20 intake would have been?=C2 =C2
=C2
Cheers,
Rusty
=C2
Rusty,
=C2
I have run my PP on the single rotor for = about 25hrs=20 throug all sorts of heat cycles and never had a problem with = leaking. Keep=20 in mind that my insert is held in place by a flange with two = bolts, so the=20 JB only seals, it does not do the holding.
I certainly would never want to depend on = JB for=20 holding the insert in place.
=C2
On your question with the open side port, = one of the=20 side ports was open during the same test period, closed on the = outside.=20 Never observed any negative effect, however, it never ran max RPM. = The=20 highest was 5000RPM. I have closed that port now for the next test = runs.
=C2
FWIW.
=C2
=C2
=C2
=C2
=C2
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by = AVG Free=20 Edition.
Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - = Release=20 Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM
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