X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 77 [XXX] (73%) OBFUSCATED_WORD1_MONEY (27%) HEADERS: MIME content-type header doesn't contain charset information Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2032787 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 May 2007 17:20:42 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.131.115; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from mwebmail15.att.net ([204.127.135.41]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2007050821194611100dbesve>; Tue, 8 May 2007 21:19:51 +0000 Received: from [4.245.54.132] by mwebmail15.att.net; Tue, 08 May 2007 21:19:46 +0000 From: keltro@att.net (Kelly Troyer) To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: FAA Attack on GA Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 21:19:46 +0000 Message-Id: <050820072119.20211.4640E96D000ADAA100004EF32158766720019D9B040A05@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 24 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: a2VsdHJvQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20211_1178659186_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20211_1178659186_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Off subject.......Should be of interest to all of the group !! -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: keltro@att.net (Kelly Troyer) Subject: FAA Attack on GA Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:23:22 +0000 Barnstorming: The FAA's User-Fee Stance Is An Attack On Us All Why Did The FAA Declare War On GA? There was a time in the "good old days" when the FAA was not only supposed, but was mandated, to be a close ally, (even a proponent) to all of aviation. Congressional intervention and concerns about the FAA's objectivity destroyed all that in the wake of an airline crash and the freakish fallout that occurred, thereafter. To many in the world of aviation, this was a mistake. And, to those of us who understand how media and politics work a little bit better than others (because of the fact that we are involved in it each and every day), it was more than a mistake, it was a sure path to disaster. That is where we find ourselves today. An FAA, devoid of any responsibility to promote or defend the industry it serves, appears to have gone on the attack and threatens much of what aviator s and aviation professionals hold dear. Aero-News, unlike many of the alphabet associations that have to work closely and kindly with the FAA, finds itself in a position to have to speak out in a somewhat unkind fashion. We've long had a love/hate affair with the FAA for as long as we've been in existence... we know well that the great majority of the people within the FAA are great advocates for aviation, true professionals, and lovers of the craft. However; the organization itself, (that great monstrous machine created by Uncle Sam), is not so kind and, today, not so professional. In what can only be seen as a power grab, and a political repositioning of itself within the government structure, the FAA has decided to shake up not only the way it is funded, but seems to be willing to buddy up, like never before, with the almighty airline industry... to the detriment of all else in aviation and aerospace. I must admit t o some head scratching over all that has occurred. The FAA's rationale for a new funding mechanism makes no fundamental sense, and numerous industry experts on both sides of the equation have cast more than sufficient doubt upon any changes in the current FAA funding scenario, too many see it as an accident waiting to happen. Further; there is no question that despite the fact that the FAA has an aggressive but yet unspecified agenda for a next-generation air transportation upgrade, that the current funding system (and the unquestioned growth that is expected to occur) has more than sufficient resources to see the FAA through the process of upgrading our, sadly, out of date air traffic system. Mind you, the FAA has given us precious little detail on what a new air traffic system will encompass. They've been short on detail, rarely answer cohesive questions, and have left much of Washington scratching their heads in bewilde rment over what is, or is not, coming our way. What everyone agrees with, though, is that we do indeed need a significantly more modernized way to move air transport from point a to point B.... and sooner or later, we expect the FAA to have to deliver it. But... how? More important, it behooves us to ask before the FAA shakes up everything that we know... what the hell are they thinking? The current strategy... whether you look at this proposals put forth by the FAA or the supposedly kinder/gentler Senate proposal, poses grave dangers to much of aviation. And while the current Senate proposal is seen as less toxic to the general aviation world, I must emphatically insist that all those in aviation who may not necessarily be affected by this proposal be aware of the cardinal rule of politics when it comes to user-fee/tax issues... "just because they're not after you today, doesn't mean they won't be after you tomorr ow." I have come to the inescapable conclusion that the FAA has lost all sense of objectivity where this proposal is concerned. I strongly believe that they have staked their reputation on seeing some measure of this proposal approved, and that the political destinies of many powerful people are linked to seeing this thing rammed down our throats. It is obvious to virtually everyone we have consulted, on both sides of the issue, that the airline industry has had a powerful effect on FAA decision making. This is an airline industry, of course, that has been in bankruptcy for most of the last several years, and has decimated its ranks with fraud, greed, misinformation, pension raids, employee abuse, poor management, and constant requests for the American taxpayer to bail them out of their many, self-inflicted, ills. I simply do not understand how anyone can give the airline industry any credibility after their pe rformance in the last few years. Even prior to 2001, the airline industry has been characterized by periods of gross mismanagement, and a growing dependence upon the government for handouts, special treatment, favorable rule-making, and all manner of favoritism. The industry can and will survive (and there are segments that do seem to have much of their act together), but it's time for a little bit of tough love, better management, and dealing with the stark face of reality. Giving the airlines preferential treatment, decimating much of general aviation (whom they apparently see as some type of threat, for no known reason), and eventually giving them power in FAA decision-making itself, clearly spells a doomsday scenario for much of this nation's valuable transportation infrastructure. No... I do not trust the airlines. And, I do not trust the FAA. What little credibility and trust I have been able to place with them in th e wake of 2001 has been virtually destroyed by some of the most shoddy reasoning and decision-making I have yet seen. Those of us in aviation who are opposing this current generation of proposals, in whatever form they may be presented, need to stand steadfastly together and resist all efforts to compromise. This is one of those circumstances when compromise does us little or no good. The inch we may give will grow to a yard in no time at all... and get worse with each step. Even if general aviation is not affected by upcoming compromise proposals, we need to signal our intensive solidarity with the rest of the aviation industry that may be under the microscope. The FAA and airline industry's 'taking on' of business aviation, and picking on those "fat cats in their business jets" is tragically flawed and myopic thinking. Business jets are not fat cat toys, they are tools of commerce. They make money. They make oppo rtunities. They grow the nation. They produce progress, jobs, income, and prosperity for the world around them. Yes, it's fashionable to poke fun at the big expensive business jet, but the big expensive business jet is rarely abused, and is (truly) only a pitifully small fraction of all the business in general aviation world. We need to do what ever it takes to stand together, to display a solid and steadfast front to the world, to make our case clear that all of aviation has value, and that all of aviation requires that heretofore available government services continue to be made available, and are modernized, within the present funding structure. If not, we're going to lose an incredibly vital resource while this nation and it's citizens, will suffer. It is also time to get in the face of the FAA decision makers, and their bosom buddies among the airline community, to let them know that alienating the business and ge neral aviation world can and should have severe consequences. We need to make some examples of some of the greediest and more flawed arguments and show any entity that threatens the rest of aviation, that this industry will not put up with it. We can do this on a number of scales... For instance, because of a speech given by United Airlines CEO Glenn Tilton (shown right) at the FAA Aviation Forecast Conference a few weeks ago, and his mischaracterization of GA as a bunch of Gulfstreams, I deliberately stood up and questioned him about his rationale and his thinking. I pointed out that most of GA does not fly a Gulfstream, I pointed out that Tilton's desire to see us pay our "fair share" made no sense when he was asking us to pay our "fair share" of a system that was designed for his industry and the myriad extra services that were made available to them, but are beyond our need or use. Finally, I pointed out that h is rationale for penalizing general aviation with user fees was akin to asking "the canoe to pay to raise the drawbridge." Tilton did not want to respond. Tilton copped out. Tilton obviously had his mind made up and no amount of facts or rationale were going to shake the hardened edifice of an opinion based on self interest and greed. As a result, I've struck back in my own way. Aero-News has not booked a ticket on United Airlines since his comments. Over the course of the next year I will be responsible for buying several hundred airline tickets for my staff, and for my associated businesses. Unless there is no choice, and I do mean NO CHOICE, it will be a cold frigid day in hell, at high noon, at the height of the summer season, before we book a ticket on United. I realize that much of the airline industry shares his viewpoint... but Tilton was the guy who got up on a podium and belittled a vast segment of aviation w ith his misunderstanding, arrogance, and factual misrepresentations. Let him pay for them and let him do so without a dime of our money. Folks... I've just come off one of the most extraordinary weeks of my life. This week has been steeped in all segments of aviation -- I flew in Zero Gravity (aboard a Boeing 727) with Professor Stephen Hawking... I looped and rolled my Glasair III off the Florida coast... I flew Cessna's new Citation Mustang... I checked a buddy out in his new Mooney... I traveled a good deal on America's airliners (NOT UAL) to get to and fro... and I got to do a little bit of soaring in a sturdy old Grob Twin II Acro sailplane. I loved and valued all the ways in which I aviated... equally and for unique/important reasons. I have never found any aspect of aviation to be any thing but synergistic with the rest. There is equal value in all of aviation and we should stand together, united, against all th reats. There should be no barriers, no jealousies, no schism, no antagonism, no competition, and no lack of support from one segment of aviation for another. I strongly feel that horrible damage has been done to the entire aviation industry by the fractious behavior of the FAA and the airlines, and I dearly desire to return to the good old days when the FAA had a responsibility to serve us, protect us, and speak of our value (collectively) to the world. In the meantime, though, the FAA needs to get off this ridiculous user-fee high horse, get back to reality, and quit attacking those whom it needs to protect and serve. Until then, the FAA has broken faith with the world of aviation -- and the aviators and aviation professionals who work and play with it. We cannot let them continue in this path for long. We either need a change of heart, or a change of leadership, so that the FAA can once again return to being a valued and trusted part of the aviation industry and an ally, rather than what they are now... the distrusted enemy and foe of much that we value. -- Jim Campbell, ANN Editor-In-Chief --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20211_1178659186_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Off subject.......Should be of interest to all of the group !!
 

-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
From: keltro@att.net (Kelly Troyer) 
Subject: FAA Attack on GA
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:23:22 +0000

 
Barnstorming: The FAA's User-Fee Stance Is An Attack On Us All Why Did The FAA
Declare War On GA?

There was a time in the "good old
days" when the FAA was not only supposed, but was mandated, to be a
close ally, (even a proponent) to all of aviation.
Congressional intervention and concerns about the FAA's objectivity
destroyed all that in the wake of an airline crash and the freakish
fallout that occurred, thereafter. To many in the world of
aviation, this was a mistake.

And, to those of us who understand how media and politics work a
little bit better than others (because of the fact that we are
involved in it each and every day), it was more than a mistake, it
was a sure path to disaster.

That is where we find ourselves today. An FAA, devoid of any
responsibility to promote or defend the industry it serves, appears
to have gone on the attack and threatens much of what aviator s and
aviation professionals hold dear. Aero-News, unlike many of the
alphabet associations that have to work closely and kindly with the
FAA, finds itself in a position to have to speak out in a somewhat
unkind fashion. We've long had a love/hate affair with the FAA for
as long as we've been in existence... we know well that the great
majority of the people within the FAA are great advocates for
aviation, true professionals, and lovers of the craft. However; the
organization itself, (that great monstrous machine created by Uncle
Sam), is not so kind and, today, not so professional. In what can
only be seen as a power grab, and a political repositioning of
itself within the government structure, the FAA has decided to
shake up not only the way it is funded, but seems to be willing to
buddy up, like never before, with the almighty airline industry...
to the detriment of all else in aviation and aerospace.

I must admit t o some
head scratching over all that has occurred. The FAA's rationale for
a new funding mechanism makes no fundamental sense, and numerous
industry experts on both sides of the equation have cast more than
sufficient doubt upon any changes in the current FAA funding
scenario, too many see it as an accident waiting to happen.
Further; there is no question that despite the fact that the FAA
has an aggressive but yet unspecified agenda for a next-generation
air transportation upgrade, that the current funding system (and
the unquestioned growth that is expected to occur) has more than
sufficient resources to see the FAA through the process of
upgrading our, sadly, out of date air traffic system. Mind you, the
FAA has given us precious little detail on what a new air traffic
system will encompass. They've been short on detail, rarely answer
cohesive questions, and have left much of Washington scratching
their heads in bewil de rment over what is, or is not, coming our
way. What everyone agrees with, though, is that we do indeed need a
significantly more modernized way to move air transport from point
a to point B.... and sooner or later, we expect the FAA to have to
deliver it. But... how?

More important, it behooves us to ask before the FAA shakes up
everything that we know... what the hell are they thinking?

The current strategy... whether you look at this proposals put
forth by the FAA or the supposedly kinder/gentler Senate proposal,
poses grave dangers to much of aviation. And while the current
Senate proposal is seen as less toxic to the general aviation
world, I must emphatically insist that all those in aviation who
may not necessarily be affected by this proposal be aware of the
cardinal rule of politics when it comes to user-fee/tax issues...
"just because they're not after you today, doesn't mean they won't
be after you tom orr ow."

I have come to the inescapable conclusion that the FAA has lost
all sense of objectivity where this proposal is concerned. I
strongly believe that they have staked their reputation on seeing
some measure of this proposal approved, and that the political
destinies of many powerful people are linked to seeing this thing
rammed down our throats. It is obvious to virtually everyone we
have consulted, on both sides of the issue, that the airline
industry has had a powerful effect on FAA decision making. This is
an airline industry, of course, that has been in bankruptcy for
most of the last several years, and has decimated its ranks with
fraud, greed, misinformation, pension raids, employee abuse, poor
management, and constant requests for the American taxpayer to bail
them out of their many, self-inflicted, ills.

I simply do not understand how
anyone can give the airline industry any credibility after their pe rformance in the last few years. Even prior to 2001, the airline
industry has been characterized by periods of gross mismanagement,
and a growing dependence upon the government for handouts, special
treatment, favorable rule-making, and all manner of favoritism. The
industry can and will survive (and there are segments that do seem
to have much of their act together), but it's time for a little bit
of tough love, better management, and dealing with the stark face
of reality. Giving the airlines preferential treatment, decimating
much of general aviation (whom they apparently see as some type of
threat, for no known reason), and eventually giving them power in
FAA decision-making itself, clearly spells a doomsday scenario for
much of this nation's valuable transportation infrastructure.

No... I do not trust the airlines. And, I do not trust the FAA.
What little credibility and trust I have been able to place with
them in th e wake of 2001 has been virtually destroyed by some of
the most shoddy reasoning and decision-making I have yet seen.
Those of us in aviation who are opposing this current generation of
proposals, in whatever form they may be presented, need to stand
steadfastly together and resist all efforts to compromise. This is
one of those circumstances when compromise does us little or no
good. The inch we may give will grow to a yard in no time at all...
and get worse with each step.

Even if general aviation is not affected by upcoming compromise
proposals, we need to signal our intensive solidarity with the rest
of the aviation industry that may be under the microscope. The FAA
and airline industry's 'taking on' of business aviation, and
picking on those "fat cats in their business jets" is tragically
flawed and myopic thinking.

Business jets are not fat cat toys, they are tools of commerce.
They make money. They mak e oppo rtunities. They grow the nation.
They produce progress, jobs, income, and prosperity for the world
around them. Yes, it's fashionable to poke fun at the big expensive
business jet, but the big expensive business jet is rarely abused,
and is (truly) only a pitifully small fraction of all the business
in general aviation world. We need to do what ever it takes to
stand together, to display a solid and steadfast front to the
world, to make our case clear that all of aviation has value, and
that all of aviation requires that heretofore available government
services continue to be made available, and are modernized, within
the present funding structure. If not, we're going to lose an
incredibly vital resource while this nation and it's citizens, will
suffer.

It is also time to get in the face of the FAA decision makers,
and their bosom buddies among the airline community, to let them
know that alienating the business and ge neral aviation world can
and should have severe consequences. We need to make some examples
of some of the greediest and more flawed arguments and show any
entity that threatens the rest of aviation, that this industry will
not put up with it.

We can do this on a
number of scales... For instance, because of a speech given by
United Airlines CEO Glenn Tilton (shown right) at the FAA Aviation
Forecast Conference a few weeks ago, and his mischaracterization of
GA as a bunch of Gulfstreams, I deliberately stood up and
questioned him about his rationale and his thinking. I pointed out
that most of GA does not fly a Gulfstream, I pointed out that
Tilton's desire to see us pay our "fair share" made no sense when
he was asking us to pay our "fair share" of a system that was
designed for his industry and the myriad extra services that were
made available to them, but are beyond our need or use. Finally, I
pointed ou t that h is rationale for penalizing general aviation with
user fees was akin to asking "the canoe to pay to raise the
drawbridge." Tilton did not want to respond. Tilton copped out.
Tilton obviously had his mind made up and no amount of facts or
rationale were going to shake the hardened edifice of an opinion
based on self interest and greed.

As a result, I've struck back in my own way. Aero-News has not
booked a ticket on United Airlines since his comments. Over the
course of the next year I will be responsible for buying several
hundred airline tickets for my staff, and for my associated
businesses. Unless there is no choice, and I do mean NO CHOICE, it
will be a cold frigid day in hell, at high noon, at the height of
the summer season, before we book a ticket on United. I realize
that much of the airline industry shares his viewpoint... but
Tilton was the guy who got up on a podium and belittled a vast
segment of a viation w ith his misunderstanding, arrogance, and
factual misrepresentations. Let him pay for them and let him do so
without a dime of our money.

Folks... I've just come off one of the most extraordinary weeks
of my life. This week has been steeped in all segments of aviation
-- I flew in Zero Gravity (aboard a Boeing 727) with Professor
Stephen Hawking... I looped and rolled my Glasair III off the
Florida coast... I flew Cessna's new Citation Mustang... I checked
a buddy out in his new Mooney... I traveled a good deal on
America's airliners (NOT UAL) to get to and fro... and I got to do
a little bit of soaring in a sturdy old Grob Twin II Acro
sailplane. I loved and valued all the ways in which I
aviated... equally and for unique/important reasons. I have never
found any aspect of aviation to be any thing but synergistic with
the rest. There is equal value in all of aviation and we should
stand together, united, agai nst all th reats.

There should be no barriers, no
jealousies, no schism, no antagonism, no competition, and no lack
of support from one segment of aviation for another. I strongly
feel that horrible damage has been done to the entire aviation
industry by the fractious behavior of the FAA and the airlines, and
I dearly desire to return to the good old days when the FAA had a
responsibility to serve us, protect us, and speak of our value
(collectively) to the world. In the meantime, though, the FAA needs
to get off this ridiculous user-fee high horse, get back to
reality, and quit attacking those whom it needs to protect and
serve.

Until then, the FAA has broken faith with the world of aviation
-- and the aviators and aviation professionals who work and play
with it. We cannot let them continue in this path for long.
We either need a change of heart, or a change of
leadership, so that the FAA can once again retur n to being
a valued and trusted part of the aviation industry and an ally,
rather than what they are now... the distrusted enemy and foe of
much that we value. -- Jim Campbell, ANN Editor-In-Chief 

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