X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Return-Path: Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.239] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2022041 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:39:57 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.233.162.239; envelope-from=hansconser@gmail.com Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so259631nzi for ; Wed, 02 May 2007 12:39:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SBPHojK4L3l9bZ3bU+v5KCG7Mk/sgRxg0qrvyb0+sXB2IzaZvnAQ03fatcT4++uFSGsFzLklJLu/3WP5wej+0AA4ox0nCYPuNxCWIBiUVlSjPxfo4HrkGHuT7wM00W4TCtluw1rEUYODsspd6HDK8i42izF1enJzuJ8oIqJVgCw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WIkd5mTsZJ9UBKif9U5aVLR+Mty010pAHNEafRJS3gqRt6TxVw+nsrXpWXjvSFW+GHjvawlJ1YIESCk54cBoQN70f2FKB8xvMT8BrMPcIyhwyo31iwJ9MgWsX1pZ184IrnDckWkodm3aU3wwi+COojyMpZ0GnhdJut+b0YyGYcU= Received: by 10.114.77.1 with SMTP id z1mr355289waa.1178134740549; Wed, 02 May 2007 12:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.16.9 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2007 12:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2e24f88d0705021239m4e18a6dbw52605ee9898ad367@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:39:00 -0600 From: "Hans Conser" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Throttle body size/ other "Paul" issues In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: "lehanover@aol.com" to Rotary Hide options 8:10 am (5 hours ago) From: lehanover@aol.com Mailed-By: lancaironline.net Reply-To: Rotary motors in aircraft To: Rotary motors in aircraft Date: May 2, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Throttle body size/ other "Paul" issues Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Add sender to Contacts list | Delete this message | Report phishing | Show original | Message text garbled? When the TB is opened suddenly from idle or near idle, the the very low pressure inside the manifold is replaced by a sudden inrush of local air pressure. So should the local air moving through the manifold not contain enough fuel to provide a viable fuel/air mixture, the engine starts to die. But, as you have noticed, the situation seems worse than that. Not just a stumble. At very low throttle openings, the available air for cylinder filling is far below the actual displacement of the engine. So, the amount of air available to compress before combustion is also very low, so, the effective compression ratio at idle is likewise very low. Just fine for running smoothly at 700 RPM and little to no load. So now we slam the throttle open, the inrush of air roars down the runners and into the chambers with far less than an ideal mixture, and what is the effect on cylinder filling for the next revolution? Why it is outstanding. Maybe over 100%. And it is too lean to light. So when you see that old guy in the Champ, who always kills the mags and goes to full throttle at the same time, as he was told to do back in 42, what is he doing? He is going from a very low cylinder filling idle with low effective compression ratio, with a carb that has no accellerator pump, or, very little accellerator pump, to great cylinder filling and a high effective compression ratio and poor to well over lean mixture, and pop pop. The engine stops in two blades with little to no fuel in the cylinders. And its the original engine, and it has good compression, and its no use telling him otherwise, because he learned it that way, and that way it will stay. Same thing for the rotary. You come in a bit hot, with the power (throttle all the way closed) off and in a beautifull forward slip, and it is going well but a bit too well as it looks like touchdown will be just a hair short of the numbers, with your moron friends watching who will settle for nothing short of a great landing, you snap out of the slip right on the centerline, and after waiting a bit too long you pop open the throttle to extend just a bit, and you get nothing at all. So then a bunch more throttle and nothing, and just as the mains touch a bit too hard, the damn power comes on like a top fuel dragster, and you fly down the centerline a hundred yards, to the same landing you commited at the end of your first solo, 43 years ago. (snip) Sounds like we could use a TPS on our planes...