Well, Speak of the devil.
Sunday I was at the big track at LasVegas playing with God awfull fast
road racing bikes. My boy went through MC school at Pheonix and worked
in that industy for a few years. Some of his friends are still in it
and we were invited to a test day. Watching these things just scares
the hell out of me. I cannot watch some of it when two or three guys
are fighting over the same apex. I just look away.
No more carbs anywhere. All injected. Hook up the connector, pop in a
different curve and go again. I have no clue about it
any more. I can change a tire which is more than some of these
people, but that is about it.
OK, TB and injection is very nearly completely different than a carbed
engine. Even more so if you are talking about downloading the
computer into your laptop and and pushing that lean spot up a bit
and pushing the new curve back into the bike in about 3 minutes. The
rider has just enough time to get a slug of water down before the crew
chief engineer and owner are looking at him like he was gone for an
hour.
Some of these guys have never had a carb apart or are even sure why they ever existed.
The big carb (Large diameter choke) close to the intake valve is a
nightmare. The fuel may be spraying out of the vent hole one second,
and the float bowel empty the next. If everything is going just right,
they lean out at the top, and the trick bag must be opened, to cure
that, hopefully without screwing up anything else. Or, the inside carbs
are OK and the outside carbs will not come in, because after three
weeks you find the intake cam has two different grinds on it. Or,
one two and three must be vented to the air filter housing but
four must be faced forward to get it to work. And every stupid thing
that ever happened to an engine will be worse with a carb than with
fuel injection. It will be worse with a bigger choke than
with a smaller. Worse with the intake valves within
sight of the butterflys than with a bit more length. Worse if the rider
is squeezing the ram tube shut with his knee, better without. and so
on. Worse if the original air filter is still in it two years later
than with a new one.
With the injector closer to the valve, there is great lattitude in
intake design with no fuel mixture changing the weight of
the flow from this to that from this to that RPM, the
engines seem more like electric motors.
With a TPS and manifold pressure talking to the computer, they can
cover a poor gear choice off of a certain corner. The suits have carbon
back plates for spine protection and streamlined cowels to fair in the
helmet turbulance.
With a big TB close to the valves in a bike the TB diameter is nearly the sole control of velocity. So (in a bike,
close to the valves) there is a rather dramatic difference between any
two diameters of TB. So, you might get a higher top speed and have no
midrange at all from a big one, and have a great engine with power
everywhere but the very end of the longest straight with a smaller TB.
And this the because the TB is making up nearly half of the tuned
length of the inlet. And very well desighned inlets they are.
In the aircraft application, the TB is normally feeding a log style
manifold, and in most cases, the TB is on one end of the log, far
removed from the last runner into the engine. Equil lengths are out the
window, and a rather dull state of tune is more likely the rule at the
best of times. However tuning is possible to a great degree, compared
to a carb in the same application. It would be great if the common
plenum could have semetrical even length runners into the engine, and
even if so, how about being able to taylor each injector pulse width
for each runner. It is possible but surely expensive.
The TB is so far removed from the intake port that changing its size
will have little affect on wide open throttle and near wide
openthrottle. With a set of injectors close to the ports that can react
to rapid TB movements, and at various positions below that there
may be some benifit to the smaller diameter TB. But I bet with a well
taylored fuel curve, that the pilot will be very hard pressed to tell
me which I have mounted if the flight has not included a top speed run.
When I jump into this, I will jump in with both feet, and we will go
fast.
Lynn E. Hanover
-----Original Message-----
From: wrjjrs@aol.com
To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
Sent: Wed, 2 May 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Throttle body size/ other "Paul" issues
Lynn,
My last race bike a FZR 1000 used 4 43mm Kehin carbs. 165 rear
wheel HP at 11,000 RPM. The intake tract was so short that you could
probably reach in and touch the valve if you had long thin fingers.
This bike would idle and with accel pumps even had excellent response.
Even so I would have prefered the true demand system of FI if anything
had been reasonably priced at the time. Jetting the carbs required a
solid week of work. With FI we can tune around several types of
problems. Different vacuum at various RPM caused by timing, reflected
pulse in the intake tract, or whatever. Since we have both done a lot
of tuning, I think you might agree with me that it is much EASIER to
tune a system with too small a TB as opposed to an overly large one.
The loss of reliable vacuum with a to-big TB can cause real headaches.
This is especially true when somebody hasn't done this kind of work and
doesn't even know how to "guess" what the problem is. I think the
biggest frustration for the amature tuner is to big a carb or throttle
body. My $0.02 worth.
Bill Jepson
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