Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 2630095 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:15:11 -0400 Received: from Lehanover@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id q.12f.32c98da7 (4320) for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:15:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Lehanover@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.32c98da7.2cb6d57d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:15:09 EDT Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Water pumps Somebody STOP me! To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 > Assuming a constant pump speed, when the thermostat closes and head > pressure goes up, power required to drive the waterpump does NOT go up. It > actually goes DOWN. Reason: There is less mass being accelerated (energy) > at lower flow rates. In the extreme example (zero flow) the same water in > the pump housing is being spun around at a constant velocity which requires > no energy. Of course there are losses in the pump so the energy consumed is > not zero. > > This argument applies ONLY to centrifugal pumps (of which automotive > water pumps are an example) and not positive displacement types (like oil > pumps). > > OK, somebody shoot this argument down and educate me. > > Tracy > Accurate to a fault. But if I may: The pump is a device designed to move water. Power (energy) is supplied via "V" belt from the prime mover and spins the pump impeller at some speed. The impeller introduces some of this energy into the water in the form of increased pressure at the outer edge of the impeller and by increasing the heat of the water slightly. The difference in pressure between the center of the impeller (the suction side of the pump) and the outer edge of the impeller (the pressure outlet) moves the water. A mass of water moving a distance in a period of time can be distilled mathematically and reported as horse power. Or 33,000 pounds lifted one foot in one minute. So long as the water is moving, work is being performed, and work is reported as horse power. Restricting the output of the pump reduces the amount of fluid being moved, but increases the fluid pressure by some amount. Along this plot, the increase in pressure represents increased work, even when total flow is decreased. Continued restriction will slow flow to the point where the impeller starts to become inefficient, thus the amount of work being performed (both flow rate and pressure) drops off sharply. Blocking the output of the pump with a thermostat or overly small restrictor stops flow through the pump, and the pump can do no work. Thus the pump can absorb energy from the prime mover only by adding heat to the water. This method of heating water is dreadfully inefficient and only a small amount of energy can be converted to work in this fashion. So the energy converted to work by the pump drops to near zero, and the prime mover will use the (now) excess energy elsewhere. Perhaps in more propeller RPM. What Tracy said, but with a bunch more words. Lynn E. Hanover