Return-Path: Received: from snoopy.pacific.net.au ([61.8.0.36] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 2629296 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:31:45 -0400 Received: from mongrel.pacific.net.au (mongrel.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.107]) by snoopy.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h990VgYH001386 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:31:43 +1000 Received: from imanic (ppp86.dyn10.pacific.net.au [61.8.10.86]) by mongrel.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h990SBst016143 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:28:12 +1000 From: peon@pacific.net.au To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:25:55 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: True Displacement of the 13B rotary Egnine Take 3 Reply-to: leon@aerota.com Message-ID: <3F8537B3.18066.1248A43@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Hi Ed, Thanks for the kind words. It just dawned on me that the main problem here in this equivalency thingy is that we are trying to compare different types of I.C. combustion cycles. To wit: Otto Cycle as opposed to Wankel Cycle etc. See, if we do it on a PER REV basis, then in the case of the 4 stroke 4 cylinder, it only ever gets to suck on two jugs! The other 2 jugs are either exhausting or powering. Same idea (sort of) as what happens in the Wankel. Another way to look at it is considering the POWER STROKES per rev that outputs on the crankshaft. Over the years, I have almost exclusively explained performance equivalency on this basis. With a 13B, we get one 654 cc power pulse per rev per combustion chamber. A 2 rotor has 2 pulses per rev, just like a normal 2600 cc 4 banger. The only difference of course is that the DURATION of the Wankel Cycle power pulses is somewhat longer and overlap compared to a piston engine, which is why the 2 rotor Wankel is smoother (no torque reversals), and also sounds different. Anyway, I think we have now beaten this one to death. As you rightly say, it really doesn't matter because the only thing that is important is the "bang for the buck", the inherrent reliability, and the power to weight ratio. I mean, where else can you get a BRAND NEW 300 + BHP powerplant that bare long weighs around 130 Kgs for around $15K AUD or $10,500 USD? (a 3 rotor 20B with 9.7:1 rotors) What does a bare long (no manifolds or accessories) IO 540 weigh, and how much do they cost? Same goes for the 2 rotor 13B. $10K AUD for a BRAND NEW 200+ BHP engine that weighs bare long around 95 Kgs. But I'm preaching to the converted here, so I'll get out of your way now ... Cheers, Leon