Return-Path: Received: from fed1mtao01.cox.net ([68.6.19.244] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 2628632 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:42:54 -0400 Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.57]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031008144253.VXYD2935.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:42:53 -0400 From: Dale Rogers To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: True Displacement of the 13B rotary Egnine Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:42:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=____1065624170233_h,=uWPp=re" Message-Id: <20031008144253.VXYD2935.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1065624170233_h,=uWPp=re Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I may be tail-end-of-the-cow here, since I haven't read all the responses to this, but ... Re: > From: "Ed Anderson" > First, we need to agree on total displacement of an engine. My understanding is that the total displacement of an engine is the displacement that ALL its power producing volume. Not just for 3/4 of its cylinders or chambers, not 2/3rds but ALL! Now, If I am incorrect about that definition then I guess I missed that class in auto school {:>). (See definitions below this message) > Actually, the only displacement that counts is that which comes into play in a single rotation of the output shaft. Any components not adding power during that time are actually parasitic. That is why four-stroke engines put out so little power for their stated displacement. Thus: > The rotary has six power producing faces each which "Scoops" up its "share" of the total volume displacement of the rotary. Now if you want to throw out two of the chambers and claim what remains is the total displacement then we should throw out two cylinders of a V8 when we consider its displacement {:>) > should read "throw out *half* its cylinders". my $.02 Dale R. ------=____1065624170233_h,=uWPp=re Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Well, Tracy,  I've been wrong before and this would not likely be the last time {:>).  Lets see, the two rotors have equal volume (I think that's safe to say).
 
First, we need to agree on total displacement of an engine. My understanding is that the total displacement of an engine is the displacement that ALL its power producing volume.  Not just for 3/4 of its cylinders or chambers, not 2/3rds but ALL!  Now, If I am incorrect about that definition then I guess I missed that class in auto school {:>).  (See definitions below this message)
 
The rotary has six power producing faces each which "Scoops" up its "share" of the total volume displacement of the rotary.  Now if you want to throw out two of the chambers and claim what remains is the total displacement then we should throw out two cylinders of a V8 when we consider its displacement {:>)
 
I think we can agree that the two rotors provide 1308  CC displacement in 720 degrees that means 4 rotor faces have scooped out their share of the 1308 displacement (which is only 2/3 of the rotors 1080 deg cycle).  But sticking with the 1308 cc for four chambers worth we have each chamber = 1308/4 = 327 cc/rotor face/chamber.  Ok so shoot me - I was 6 cc off.
 
But  if we take the FULL engine cycle of the rotary which is 1080 deg not the reciprocating 4 strokes 720 degrees, that means there are two more chambers worth before we have exercised all rotor faces/chambers once for a complete engine cycle.  Then we add 2 more 327 cc chamber cycles to the 1308 we already have and we have a grand total of approx 1952 cc or approx 120 CID
 
As I pointed out, if you truncate the rotor's 1080 degree cycle, then you indeed come up with the 1308 cc displacement.  But the definition of displacement of an engine generally means the total displacement of all its power producing surfaces (like piston top,rotary faces, etc), not just some of them.
 
I've listed several defintions for engine displacement I found on the web below:  I think you will find that the definition of total engine displacement call for ALL the power producing  volumns be included - not just 2/3 of them.  But, then that is my interpretation of the definitons below.
 
So until future evidence to the contrary, I'll stick by the 120 CID
 
See! I told you this would invoke discussion {:>)
 
 
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com /flyrotary/List.html
 
Engine displacement (or size) of the engine is the number of cylinders times
the displacement of one of the pistons.
 

In an engine, displacement is the total volume of air and fuel that an engine is theoretically capable of drawing into all its cylinders in one cycle.  Since an engine is three-dimensional (volume), displacement is measured in cubic inches for U.S. cars.  Some cars may have displacements measured in liters.


Displacement
The total volume of air displaced by all the pistons within an engine block. In general, the greater an engine's displacement, the more power it can produce.
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