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Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] gyros was Re: crankcase vents
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:14:07 -0800
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Hey, speaking of Bensens - I've got one (without rotor but with original
80HP McCullough (sp?) engine) I could sell cheap.anyone interested?
Joe Hull
Redmond/Seattle WA, Cozy-Mazda Rotary 71hrs
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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Russell Duffy
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:01 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: ***SPAM*** [FlyRotary] Re: gyros was Re: crankcase vents
Are they safer now. Probably. But most of them can be damaged by a
inattentive movement
of the control stick. Not so an airplane (in most cases).
Hi Lynn,
As I mentioned before, there ARE certainly dangerous gyros out there, and
many of them were really popular models. Back in the days of the Bensen's,
there wasn't even any such thing as a two place machine for training, so it
was all self taught. As you can imagine, that didn't help much with the
safety record.
Modern CLT (centerline thrust) machines like the Dominator are light years
ahead of the Bensen's in stability. You can push and pull on the stick
until you puke, and it won't go out of it's way to kill you. The only
downside is that they end up being tall, so they're a bit more likely to tip
over on landings in crosswinds. Still, this is equivalent to a ground loop,
and is just as preventable with training and experience.
Gyros are way more maneuverable than airplanes, and can do things that only
helicopters could dream of. They do it without all the complexity, and can
do it with only a Sport Pilot rating. The visibility of an open, pusher
type machine is unmatched. If your goal is to fly around the local area for
the view, a gyro is hard to beat.
To make this at least a bit relevant to the list, I just can't think of any
aircraft that's more suitable for engine testing. You can land them on a
dime, with zero ground roll. The engine is out in the open to fiddle with
and monitor. The Dominator is almost certainly what I'll build, since it's
already well proven with the weight and power of the smaller Subaru engines.
It should make a good fit for the single rotor engine.
BTW, the RV-8 is already informally for sale. I'll make it official when I
get around to building a web page with all the sale info.
Cheers,
Rusty
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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I’ve
got one (without rotor but with original 80HP McCullough (sp?) engine) I =
could
sell cheap…anyone interested?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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Rotary
71hrs</span></font><font color=3Dnavy><span =
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Rotary motors in
aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] <b><span =
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Behalf Of </span></b>Russell Duffy<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February =
05, 2007
7:01 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Rotary motors in =
aircraft<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> ***SPAM*** =
[FlyRotary]
Re: gyros was Re: crankcase vents</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Are they safer now. Probably. But =
most of
them can be damaged by a inattentive movement =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>of the control stick. Not so an =
airplane
(in most cases). </span></font><font color=3Dred face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>As I mentioned before,
there ARE certainly dangerous gyros out there, and many of =
them were
really popular models. Back in the days of the Bensen's, =
there
wasn't even any such thing as a two place machine for training, so it =
was all
self taught. As you can imagine, that didn't help much with the
safety record. </span></font><font color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Modern CLT (centerline thrust) =
machines
like the Dominator are light years ahead of the Bensen's in =
stability.
You can push and pull on the stick until you puke, and it won't go out =
of it's
way to kill you. The only downside is that they end up being tall, =
so they're
a bit more likely to tip over on landings in crosswinds. Still, =
this is
equivalent to a ground loop, and is just as preventable with training =
and
experience. </span></font><font color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Gyros are way more maneuverable
than airplanes, and can do things that only helicopters could =
dream
of. They do it without all the complexity, and can do it with only =
a
Sport Pilot rating. The visibility of an open, pusher type machine =
is
unmatched. If your goal is to fly around the local area for the =
view, a
gyro is hard to beat. </span></font><font color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>To make this at least a bit relevant =
to the
list, I just can't think of any aircraft that's more suitable for engine
testing. You can land them on a dime, with zero ground roll. =
The
engine is out in the open to fiddle with and monitor. The =
Dominator is
almost certainly what I'll build, since it's already well proven with =
the
weight and power of the smaller Subaru engines. It should make a =
good fit
for the single rotor engine. </span></font><font color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>BTW, the RV-8 is already informally =
for
sale. I'll make it official when I get around to building a web =
page with
all the sale info. </span></font><font color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
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