Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #33653
From: Thomas y Reina Jakits <rijakits@cwpanama.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: ducted fan questions
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:54:15 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Rusty,
 
the shortest way to all the know-how is via Perry Mick's webpage!
A motherload of info!
 
Best is to contact him - this will put you a lightyear or two ahead of the game, so you can continue where everyone else gets tired of ducts! :))
 
A gyro would be a good application, as there are only two speed-regimes:
acceleration to flight speed, flightspeed, decceleration to land.
The gyros generally available for the ultralight/experimental market do not have a collective control. So there is only one trimmed speed/rpm.
You want to go faster - you climb; Go slower  - you sink.
To my knowledge there are only 2 gyros with a full collective control - Air&Space 2 seater and the Groen (brothers) Hawk.
Both are certified expensive machines....
 
I am thinking of some way to incorporate a collective control with the rather simple head design of the experimental gyros - something like a Robinson helicopters tailrotor pitch change mechanism....
It would allow to change your speed/rpm trim and it would allow jump-take offs - pre-rotate the rotor to about 150% nominal cruise rpm - disengage pre-rotator - raise collective to cruise position (or even higher) - vertical take-off - inertia keeps the rotor running, but slowing down - at about 50ft apply throttle and go flying (adjust collective for cruise rpm).
The other way around for landing! The only thing you could not do is hovering, like a helo!
 
Thomas J.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:12 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: ducted fan questions

All the GenAv duct attempts I could dig
up wound up ditching the duct and going back to a prop, some after
significant time and expense.

 
Hi Donald,
 
Thanks for the comments.  I've also noticed an huge lack of examples of GA ducted fans, and that usually tells you something important :-) 
 
I've been led to believe that ducted fans had some thrust advantages at low airspeeds, but that they generally wouldn't work well at normal GA type cruise speeds.  Since a gyrocopter is a slow aircraft, that lives for thrust, it just seems like it would possible work.  On the other hand, it's probably worth noting that there aren't any fan units out there for Rotax engines on gyros, or pusher ultralights for that matter.  
 
Cheers,
Rusty
 



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