Return-Path: Received: from relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.34] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.4) with ESMTP id 2602805 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:31:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 21592 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 03:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO frontiernet.net) ([67.50.169.163]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.6) with SMTP for ; 25 Sep 2003 03:31:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3F7253ED.302E7567@frontiernet.net> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:33:17 -0400 From: Jim Sower X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: DIE the short Answer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charlie, <... Or have I completely missed the point & the goal is actually to tune for air temperature? ...> Actually, if I'm not badly mistaken, that's exactly what we're tuning for. I haven't done any of the studying that Ed has, and there's one hell of a lot I don't understand about how rotarys breathe. But a lot of the talk here turns on "resonance" and "wave pulses" and what not. Resonance is sound. The pulses we're discussing are sound. Sound travels at the speed of sound. We're "tuning" the intake. DIE will occur at an rpm (frequency) that matches the time it takes a pulse to travel the length of the intake runner. That time is a function of the speed of sound, which is a function of temperature. It follows that at a given rpm (which is easily variable) and temperature (which has been ignored heretofore) you will have A (as in singular) tube length that is resonant. If you can't control the charge temperature and want a particular rpm, the only thing you can vary is the runner length. Suppose all we wanted is resonance. Suppose that was our goal. If that were the case, why couldn't we compute the runner length for the rpm we wanted to cruise at and the intake temperature we were most likely to encounter at the altitude we were most likely to cruise at, and build it that way. At this juncture, we have two choices: We can vary the rpm so as to achieve resonance at the intake temperatures we are "tuned" for, or we can adjust the intake temperature to resonate at the rpm and runner length we are carrying. If we design for relatively mild temperatures, say 60F, we can cruise comfortably at 8k' - 10k' during the summer. Just climb until the intake charge matches the design intake temperature and cruise there. In winter, we can turbocharge, adjusting the wastegate to achieve the desired intake temps. We might have to cruise at 15k' in winter, adjusting boost to achieve the intake temps we need for resonance. Or we could build runners for the temps we expect and just accept departures from optimum temp as one of those little things we have to live with in this uncertain world. Or hang a CS prop on the beast and vary rpm at WOT to match the intake temp required for max power. Runner length is not the only variable. Perhaps there's some advantage to looking at them all Or perhaps this whole thing is just a remarkably extended brain fart... Jim S. Charlie & Tupper England wrote: > > > > Hi Ed, > > I was trying to ask about the Q, or 'peakiness' of the tuning technique. > My point about the 5k to 6k rpm is that with the 2.17 gearbox, rpms > outside that range aren't of any real interest in a fixed pitch a/c > engine application. Even with a fairly high 'Q', if you tune for your > expected cruise rpm (somewhere between 5k & 6k?) how much will you give > up if you don't have in-flight adjustable tube length? My assumption is > that with a fixed pitch prop on a fast clean plane like the RV-class > planes, you will turn at least 5k when you begin the takeoff roll & not > exceed 6k or you will run into problems with the prop tips approaching > the sound barrier. Is the peak so sharp that it will require varying the > tube length over a 1k rpm band? > > I realize that the Lemans racer was using the variable helmholtz tuning > method, but the variable length intake pipes were intended to move the > torque peak over a several thousand rpm range to allow accelerating out > of 20 mph curves & still pull well at 240 mph. My confusion is why > tuning over a several thousand rpm range is needed in an a/c (Unless of > course the Eddie effect is EXTREMELY high Q requiring tuning over a 1k > range). > > Or have I completely missed the point & the goal is actually to tune for > air temperature? > > (now even my fingers hurt.) > > Charlie > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html