Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #33204
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: DoorOpenLside.jpg
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:01:05 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Richard,
 
Thanks for the information.  I was told that if I plumbed the lines such that the pump fed the center of the line going to each cylinder that the pressures would be pretty much equal.  So I tried that and it appears to work just fine - any drop in pressure due to friction in the lines is apparently equal to both cylinders.  It took a bit more hose to do it that way - but the hose was cheaper than an equalizer valve.   Tracy Crook indicated that is what he had to do for a similar door - feed the cylinders from a "T" at the mid point between both.
 
Yes, my operating control is a momentary push button also - meaning once you take your finger off it the motor and motion stop - opening or closing.  I also have a keyed battery switch on my battery box - so when the operation is finished I can remove it and prevent anybody from intentionally or unintentionally operating the door - without first inserting the key and turning the power on.
 
I am putting on limit switches such that my system will not operate unless all locks are first opened and then will have one to prevent the door from opening beyond a certain point (85 deg?).
 
Good to hear you have had 7 years with no problem operation
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: DoorOpenLside.jpg

Hi Ed,
 
I have a similar door on my hanger, it is 30ft wide and made of steel sq-tubing. It is lifted by two hydr cylinders through a knee-lever which goes over dead center at full open. I had to install a hand valve on one side for balancing the opening and closing with changing temperature. This is much simpler than an automatic balancer, and it will not work without any balancing. There was no leak or any other problems in 7years of operation.
One safety feature I installed is a temporary pushbutton switch, which makes it impossible to walk away while the door is opening. This makes me watch the door all the time while it is going up or down. Some times, I even open the door only partially and leave it there all day long on the hydraulics without any problem.
I think you did the right pick with the hydraulics.
FWIW.
 
Richard Sohn
N-2071U
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 4:54 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: DoorOpenLside.jpg

Hi Jarrett,
 
Actually, I believe that if the hose breaks anywhere the pressure will drop everywhere and the two cylinders will both lower (more or less) together.  I could be wrong about that, but until an hydraulic expert tells me otherwise, that is what my eyeball analysis indicates to me.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:11 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: DoorOpenLside.jpg

Ed, looks like you have it well in hand.. any plan however, for a hose break [or leak over time] which would lower one cylinder but not the other?
 
Jarrett
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: DoorOpenLside.jpg

Good Idea, Lynn.  Screw the hose in one side of the aluminum block, up flow pushes through the restrictor and check valve, back flow closes check valve and only flows through restrictor.   Shouldn't be that hard to make.
 
Thanks
 
Ed
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:36 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: DoorOpenLside.jpg

In a message dated 8/13/2006 11:04:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes:
Not a bad idea, Ben.  They would slow down the opening a bit, but would probably slow down the closing even more.  I'll check into it.
 
Ed
Assemble a swing check valve in parallel with your restrictor. So, most of the up flow is unrestricted and any downflow closes the check valve and goes through the restrictor.
Or machine the whole thing in a small block of aluminum.
 
Lynn E. Hanover


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