X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.225] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTP id 1332081 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:04:51 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.246.225; envelope-from=lors01@msn.com Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.74]) by bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:04:04 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:04:04 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 4.171.114.152 by BAY115-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:03:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.171.114.152] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis HP Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:03:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_019B_01C6B573.515FD7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:03:51 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2006 18:04:04.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[E03D9F80:01C6B594] Return-Path: lors01@msn.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019B_01C6B573.515FD7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed is correct, the 'log' manifold (I usually refer to it as a ram tuned, = open plenum manifold) is making more peak power but there are = compromises (aren't there always?) It is also very light and fairly = easy to fabricate, factors which should never be ignored. A perfect = manifold that you can't build isn't worth much. =20 The compromises (of the ram tuned) are not particularly bad on a light = and relatively clean plane like the RV-4 but they could be on other = installations.=20 The peak power is only available in one scenario - WOT at sea level, = with plane at top speed, close to standard day conditions and a properly = matched prop (fixed pitch). Take away any one factor and my earlier = wrap-over dynamic chamber manifold would 'win'. It had a much broader = power range than the straight ram tuned manifold I'm running now. =20 For instance, in climb mode my rpm is 6000 rpm vs 6200 with the dynamic = chamber manifold so rate of climb is less (2350 vs 2650 fpm). It also = takes longer to reach take-off speed (slightly longer takeoff distance) = and longer to reach top speed (it looses the drag race from standing = start). Only when the airspeed gets to 200 mph does the ram tuned = manifold start to pay off. You can actually feel the tuning start to = come up 'on the pipe' and accelerate the plane to higher speeds. Of course the whole picture would change if I had a variable pitch prop, = but I don't (at least right now ; ) Tracy (lusting after the Mistral 20B manifold I saw at Osh) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:30 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis HP (was: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh) I agree Bill, that the intake and the ability to spin at higher rpm = with the=20 lighter rotors are the major source of the higher HP. However, Tracy = Crook=20 has a log manifold and certainly is producing more power with it on = the=20 Renesis than he got from the 13B. So, I am really keen on seeing how your induction system works out as = it=20 comes closest to matching what I see on the Rx-8 engine. I would = think that=20 since you appear to be using the six port (vice the four port model = Tracy is=20 using) that is should breath very well at the higher rpm - but wonder = what=20 will happen in the below 6000 rpm range. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Bill Dube" = > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Renesis HP (was: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh) >I think most of the HP in the Renesis is coming from the intake = manifold > design. If you put a "log" intake, you won't get the big HP that the > stock tuned intake delivers. > > I've been busy with work and my electric drag bike lately, so my = carbon > fiber Renesis intake project has been on hold. I should get back to = it > this winter. > > I have the design, the solid CAD models for the molds, and the > aluminum blocks to machine the molds. Need to generate tool paths = and > make chips. > > If anyone here (or near) in Colorado is interested in helping out > with this (tool path files for a Haas toolroom CNC mill,) let me = know. > > Bill Dube' > > Ed Anderson wrote: > >> Sort of like one of his very first predictions that the "Plugs Up" >> installations would never work and we would kill ourselves. He = came >> up with a total of 7 reason why it wouldn't work. Each time one of >> the issues was shown not to be an issue, he would come up with = another >> - final stopped at 7 (or at least that was the total when I left = the >> list). Needless to say I never told my engine that it wouldn't = work >> "Plugs up" so it doesn't know. >> >> Tracy is sure going to be disappointed when he finds out his = Renesis >> engine simply can not push his Rv-4 to over 220 mph according to = his >> grace. >> >> The truth is Paul has had some good ideas and also some bad ones - >> but, he will not tolerate any serious challenges to his beliefs, >> opinions or dogmatic statements - thus those who rise to a certain >> level of understanding and start to question those "truths" pose a >> threat and are excommunicated. >> >> Too bad, I like Paul, but after four years just had enough and left >> his list. I find this one much more to my liking and besides - it >> has members with real flying rotary engines {:>) >> >> Ed >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Phy" = > >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = > >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:53 PM >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh >> >> >>> I am still there. But, as I have received his emails through the = past >>> couple >>> of years, it seems to me that he has contradicted himself on more >>> then one >>> occasion, and then switched back again. To be fair, he has = provided >>> lots of >>> unique ideas that, if they work, I would put into practice. He = just >>> today >>> went off on how we should NOT use the Renesis, because it won't = give >>> us the >>> power we expect. This is after I bought one of the "Rupert" = engines, >>> based >>> on both his and Tracy's recommendation's. Just leaves me wondering >>> sometimes. >>> Thomas Phy >>> RV-7 >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bulent Aliev" >>> > >>> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = > >>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:12 AM >>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh >>> >>> >>>> I was dropped more than a year ago by PL without explanation. I = did >>>> see him after that and he did not offer any reason, so I left it = at >>>> that. Just wander how many are left there on his list? >>>> Bulent "Buly" Aliev >>>> FXE Ft lauderdale, FL >>>> http://tinyurl.com/s5xw8 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 1:11 PM, John Downing wrote: >>>> >>>> > Thomas; My best guess is that he found out you are on this = list. >>>> > JohnD >>>> > Temp is supposed to top 100 today, don't know how you guys >>>> > accomplish any >>>> > thing in the heat. >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Thomas y Reina Jakits" = > >>>> > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = > >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:41 PM >>>> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> If there is a "private" story about PL, pleeeease include me = in the >>>> > mailing >>>> >> list! >>>> >> Still scratching my head for the reason of my demise from = theeee >>>> >> list! >>>> >> >>>> >> Thomas Jakits >>>> >> rijakits@cwpanama.net >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> From: "Barber Law Firm" = > >>>> >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = > >>>> >> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:01 AM >>>> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> And if the scoop is giving to Dave privately, I hope to get = the >>>> >>> scoop at >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> hangar in a few days. I am curious, I did not know there was = a >>>> >>> falling >>>> >>> out, >>>> >>> even though, I can't say I am surprised. I was wondering if = the >>>> >>> latest >>>> >>> comments about after market apex seals were directed at Mr. = Crook >>>> >>> and >>>> > Mr. >>>> >>> Turintine. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> We, David and I, are still waiting for the Mistral intake to >>>> >>> arrive. We >>>> >>> were told it shipped last week (the week of the 17th, I = think), >>>> >>> but it >>>> > is >>>> >>> coming from Geneva. (stay patient Chris) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> All the best, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Chris >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Christopher Barber >>>> >>> Attorney and Counselor at Law >>>> >>> >>>> >>> "Serving the needs of Senior Texans" >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Barber Law Firm >>>> >>> 10827 Tower Bridge St. >>>> >>> Houston, Texas 77075-5032 >>>> >>> 281-464-LAWS (5297) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> CBarber@TexasAttorney.net >>>> >>> www.TexasAttorney.net = > >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Texas = > >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>> >>> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On >>>> >>> Behalf Of David Staten >>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:43 AM >>>> >>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>> >>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Bill Eslick wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Had to leave Thursday AM, so missed Tracy completely, but = there >>>> >>>> was a >>>> >>>> steady stream of people who were interested in the rotary = engine. >>>> >>>> Lots of intelligent questions, and I mentioned Tracy's name = a >>>> >>>> lot! I >>>> >>>> made the mistake of mentioning his name to P.L. though, >>>> >>>> and.....well >>>> >>>> that is another story to be shared off-line. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I'd love to hear the particulars... given that PL has yet to >>>> >>> build or >>>> >>> fly a rotary powered aircraft, and has ceased to provide any = of the >>>> >>> manufacturing support that he once did provide. I dropped off = his >>>> >>> list >>>> >>> right before Reno 05 and haven't really missed it. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Smooth flight up and back from Granbury, with one stop near = Kansas >>>> >>>> City at Clay County airport. Self-service MOGAS for $2.90. = I >>>> >>>> like to >>>> >>>> rub that in with my Lycosaurus friends! >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Thanks for the fuel tip.. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The engine runs so good now that I suspect the apex seal has = been >>>> >>>> broken at least a year! This is an amazing engine design. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Bill Eslick >>>> >>>> = www.weslick.com/RV6Index.htm = = > >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Homepage: = http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> >>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Homepage: = http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> >>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Homepage: = http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> >> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>> >>>> >>>> --=20 >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> --=20 >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>> >> >> >> >> --=20 >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >> > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >=20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ ------=_NextPart_000_019B_01C6B573.515FD7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed is correct, the 'log' manifold (I usually refer to it as a ram = tuned,=20 open plenum manifold) is making more peak power but there are = compromises=20 (aren't there always?)  It is also very light and fairly easy = to=20 fabricate, factors which should never be ignored.   A perfect = manifold=20 that you can't build isn't worth much. 
The compromises (of the ram tuned) are not particularly bad on = a light=20 and relatively clean plane like the RV-4 but they could be on other=20 installations. 
 
The peak power is only available in one scenario - WOT at sea = level, with=20 plane at top speed, close to standard day conditions and a properly = matched prop (fixed pitch).   Take away any one factor = and my=20 earlier wrap-over dynamic chamber manifold would 'win'.   It = had a=20 much broader power range than the straight ram tuned manifold I'm = running=20 now. 
 
For instance,  in climb mode my rpm is 6000 rpm vs = 6200 with the=20 dynamic chamber manifold so rate of climb is less (2350 vs 2650=20 fpm).   It also takes longer to reach take-off speed (slightly = longer=20 takeoff distance) and longer to reach top speed (it looses the drag = race=20 from standing start).  Only when the airspeed gets to 200 mph does = the ram=20 tuned manifold start to pay off.   You can actually feel the = tuning=20 start to come up 'on the pipe' and accelerate the plane to higher = speeds.
 
Of course the whole picture would change if I had a variable = pitch=20 prop, but I don't (at least right now ; )
 
  Tracy  (lusting after the Mistral 20B manifold I = saw at=20 Osh)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 = 8:30 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Renesis HP (was:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh)

I agree Bill, that the intake and the ability to spin = at higher=20 rpm with the
lighter rotors are the major source of the higher = HP. =20 However, Tracy Crook
has a log manifold and certainly is producing = more=20 power with it on the
Renesis than he got from the 13B.

So, = I am=20 really keen on seeing how your induction system works out as it =
comes=20 closest to matching what I see on the Rx-8 engine.  I would think = that=20
since you appear to be using the six port (vice the four port = model Tracy=20 is
using) that is should breath  very well at the higher rpm = - but=20 wonder what
will happen in  the below 6000 rpm=20 range.

Ed

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill = Dube"=20 <William.P.Dube@noaa.gov>To:=20 "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:=20 Monday, July 31, 2006 8:12 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Renesis HP (was: = [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh)


>I think most of the HP in the = Renesis=20 is coming from the intake manifold
> design. If you put a "log" = intake,=20 you won't get the big HP that the
> stock tuned intake=20 delivers.
>
> I've been busy with work and my electric = drag bike=20 lately, so my carbon
> fiber Renesis intake project has been on = hold. I=20 should get back to it
> this = winter.
>
>    I=20 have the design, the solid CAD models for the molds, and the
> = aluminum=20 blocks to machine the molds. Need to generate tool paths and
> = make=20 chips.
>
>    If anyone here (or near) in = Colorado=20 is interested in helping out
> with this (tool path files for a = Haas=20 toolroom CNC mill,) let me know.
>
>    = Bill=20 Dube'
>
> Ed Anderson wrote:
>
>> Sort of = like one=20 of  his very first predictions that the "Plugs Up"
>>=20 installations would never work and we would kill ourselves.  He=20 came
>> up with a total of 7 reason why it wouldn't = work.  Each=20 time one of
>> the issues was shown not to be an issue, he = would come=20 up with another
>> - final stopped at 7 (or at least that was = the=20 total when I left the
>> list).   Needless to say I = never=20 told my engine that it wouldn't work
>> "Plugs up" so it = doesn't=20 know.
>>
>> Tracy is sure going to be disappointed = when he=20 finds out his Renesis
>> engine simply can not push his Rv-4 = to over=20 220 mph according to his
>> grace.
>>
>> = The truth=20 is Paul has had some good ideas and also some bad ones -
>> = but, he=20 will not tolerate any serious challenges to his beliefs,
>> = opinions=20 or dogmatic statements - thus those who rise to a certain
>> = level of=20 understanding and start to question those "truths" pose a
>> = threat=20 and are excommunicated.
>>
>> Too bad, I like Paul, = but=20 after four years just had enough and left
>> his = list.   I=20 find this one much more to my liking and besides - it
>> has = members=20 with real flying rotary engines {:>)
>>
>>=20 Ed
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas = Phy"=20 <thomphy@msn.com>
>> = To: "Rotary=20 motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>>=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:53 PM
>> Subject: [FlyRotary] = Re:=20 Oshkosh
>>
>>
>>> I am still there. But, = as I=20 have received his emails through the past
>>>=20 couple
>>> of years, it seems to me that he has = contradicted=20 himself on more
>>> then one
>>> occasion, and = then=20 switched back again. To be fair, he has provided
>>> lots=20 of
>>> unique ideas that, if they work, I would put into = practice.=20 He just
>>> today
>>> went off on how we = should NOT=20 use the Renesis, because it won't give
>>> us = the
>>>=20 power we expect. This is after I bought one of the "Rupert"=20 engines,
>>> based
>>> on both his and Tracy's = recommendation's. Just leaves me wondering
>>>=20 sometimes.
>>> Thomas Phy
>>> = RV-7
>>>=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bulent Aliev"
>>> = <atlasyts@bellsouth.net>
= >>>=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>>>=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Oshkosh
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was = dropped more=20 than a year ago by PL without explanation. I did
>>>> = see him=20 after that and he did not offer any reason, so I left it=20 at
>>>> that. Just wander how many are left there on = his=20 list?
>>>> Bulent "Buly" Aliev
>>>> FXE = Ft=20 lauderdale, FL
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/s5xw8
>>= ;>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
= >>>>
>>>>
>>>>=20 On Jul 31, 2006, at 1:11 PM, John Downing=20 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Thomas;  My = best=20 guess is that he found out you are on this list.
>>>> = >=20 JohnD
>>>> > Temp is supposed to top 100 today, = don't know=20 how you guys
>>>> > accomplish = any
>>>> >=20 thing in the heat.
>>>> > ----- Original Message=20 -----
>>>> > From: "Thomas y Reina Jakits" <rijakits@cwpanama.net>
&g= t;>>>=20 > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>>>>=20 > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:41 PM
>>>> > = Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh
>>>> = >
>>>>=20 >
>>>> >> If there is a "private" story about = PL,=20 pleeeease include me in the
>>>> >=20 mailing
>>>> >> list!
>>>> = >> Still=20 scratching my head for the reason of my demise from = theeee
>>>>=20 >> list!
>>>> >>
>>>> = >>=20 Thomas Jakits
>>>> >> rijakits@cwpanama.net
>&g= t;>>=20 >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> = -----=20 Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Barber Law = Firm"=20 <CBarber@TexasAttorney.net&g= t;
>>>>=20 >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>>>>=20 >> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:01 AM
>>>> = >>=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh
>>>>=20 >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> = And if=20 the scoop is giving to Dave privately, I hope to get = the
>>>>=20 >>> scoop at
>>>> >>> = the
>>>>=20 >>> hangar in a few days.  I am curious, I did not know = there=20 was a
>>>> >>> falling
>>>>=20 >>> out,
>>>> >>> even though, I = can't say I=20 am surprised.  I was wondering if the
>>>> = >>>=20 latest
>>>> >>> comments about after market = apex seals=20 were directed at Mr. Crook
>>>> >>>=20 and
>>>> > Mr.
>>>> >>>=20 Turintine.
>>>> >>>
>>>> = >>>=20 We, David and I, are still waiting for the Mistral intake=20 to
>>>> >>> arrive.  = We
>>>>=20 >>> were told it shipped last week (the week of the 17th, I=20 think),
>>>> >>> but it
>>>> = >=20 is
>>>> >>> coming from Geneva.  (stay = patient=20 Chris)
>>>> >>>
>>>>=20 >>>
>>>> >>> All the=20 best,
>>>> >>>
>>>> = >>>=20 Chris
>>>> >>>
>>>> = >>>=20 Christopher Barber
>>>> >>> Attorney and = Counselor at=20 Law
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> = "Serving=20 the needs of Senior Texans"
>>>>=20 >>>
>>>> >>> Barber Law=20 Firm
>>>> >>> 10827 Tower Bridge=20 St.
>>>> >>> Houston, Texas=20 77075-5032
>>>> >>> 281-464-LAWS=20 (5297)
>>>> >>>
>>>>=20 >>>
>>>> >>> CBarber@TexasAttorney.net>>>>=20 >>> www.TexasAttorney.net <http://www.texasattorney.net/&= gt;
>>>>=20 >>>
>>>> >>> Texas <http://www.smil= eycentral.com/?partner=3DZSzeb001>
>>>>=20 >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> = >>>=20 -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>> From: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
>>>> >>>=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On
>>>> = >>> Behalf=20 Of David Staten
>>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, July = 30, 2006=20 1:43 AM
>>>> >>> To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
>>>> >>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Oshkosh
>>>> >>>
>>>>=20 >>>
>>>> >>> Bill Eslick=20 wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>>=20 >>>>
>>>> >>>> Had to leave = Thursday=20 AM, so missed Tracy completely, but there
>>>> = >>>>=20 was a
>>>> >>>> steady stream of people who = were=20 interested in the rotary engine.
>>>> >>>> = Lots of=20 intelligent questions,  and I mentioned Tracy's name=20 a
>>>> >>>> lot!  = I
>>>>=20 >>>> made the mistake of mentioning his name to P.L.=20 though,
>>>> >>>> = and.....well
>>>>=20 >>>> that is another story to be shared=20 off-line.
>>>> >>>
>>>> = >>>=20 I'd love to hear the particulars... given that PL has yet=20 to
>>>> >>> build or
>>>> = >>>=20 fly a rotary powered aircraft, and has ceased to provide any of=20 the
>>>> >>> manufacturing support that he = once did=20 provide. I dropped off his
>>>> >>>=20 list
>>>> >>> right before Reno 05 and haven't = really=20 missed it.
>>>> >>>
>>>>=20 >>>>
>>>> >>>> Smooth flight up = and=20 back from Granbury, with one stop near Kansas
>>>>=20 >>>> City at Clay County airport.  Self-service MOGAS = for=20 $2.90.  I
>>>> >>>> like=20 to
>>>> >>>> rub that in with my Lycosaurus = friends!
>>>> >>>
>>>> = >>>=20 Thanks for the fuel tip..
>>>> = >>>
>>>>=20 >>>>
>>>> >>>> The engine runs = so good=20 now that I suspect the apex seal has been
>>>> = >>>>=20 broken at least a year!  This is an amazing engine=20 design.
>>>> >>>> --
>>>>=20 >>>> Bill Eslick
>>>> >>>> www.weslick.com/RV6Index.htm= =20 <http://www.weslick.com/RV6In= dex.htm>
>>>>=20 >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>>=20 >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>>=20 >>> Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
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