X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTP id 1331000 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:29:39 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-111-186.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.111.186]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k710UlLe024064 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201c6b501$bbca4d30$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Renesis HP (was: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:30:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine I agree Bill, that the intake and the ability to spin at higher rpm with the lighter rotors are the major source of the higher HP. However, Tracy Crook has a log manifold and certainly is producing more power with it on the Renesis than he got from the 13B. So, I am really keen on seeing how your induction system works out as it comes closest to matching what I see on the Rx-8 engine. I would think that since you appear to be using the six port (vice the four port model Tracy is using) that is should breath very well at the higher rpm - but wonder what will happen in the below 6000 rpm range. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dube" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Renesis HP (was: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh) >I think most of the HP in the Renesis is coming from the intake manifold > design. If you put a "log" intake, you won't get the big HP that the > stock tuned intake delivers. > > I've been busy with work and my electric drag bike lately, so my carbon > fiber Renesis intake project has been on hold. I should get back to it > this winter. > > I have the design, the solid CAD models for the molds, and the > aluminum blocks to machine the molds. Need to generate tool paths and > make chips. > > If anyone here (or near) in Colorado is interested in helping out > with this (tool path files for a Haas toolroom CNC mill,) let me know. > > Bill Dube' > > Ed Anderson wrote: > >> Sort of like one of his very first predictions that the "Plugs Up" >> installations would never work and we would kill ourselves. He came >> up with a total of 7 reason why it wouldn't work. Each time one of >> the issues was shown not to be an issue, he would come up with another >> - final stopped at 7 (or at least that was the total when I left the >> list). Needless to say I never told my engine that it wouldn't work >> "Plugs up" so it doesn't know. >> >> Tracy is sure going to be disappointed when he finds out his Renesis >> engine simply can not push his Rv-4 to over 220 mph according to his >> grace. >> >> The truth is Paul has had some good ideas and also some bad ones - >> but, he will not tolerate any serious challenges to his beliefs, >> opinions or dogmatic statements - thus those who rise to a certain >> level of understanding and start to question those "truths" pose a >> threat and are excommunicated. >> >> Too bad, I like Paul, but after four years just had enough and left >> his list. I find this one much more to my liking and besides - it >> has members with real flying rotary engines {:>) >> >> Ed >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Phy" >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:53 PM >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh >> >> >>> I am still there. But, as I have received his emails through the past >>> couple >>> of years, it seems to me that he has contradicted himself on more >>> then one >>> occasion, and then switched back again. To be fair, he has provided >>> lots of >>> unique ideas that, if they work, I would put into practice. He just >>> today >>> went off on how we should NOT use the Renesis, because it won't give >>> us the >>> power we expect. This is after I bought one of the "Rupert" engines, >>> based >>> on both his and Tracy's recommendation's. Just leaves me wondering >>> sometimes. >>> Thomas Phy >>> RV-7 >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bulent Aliev" >>> >>> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:12 AM >>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh >>> >>> >>>> I was dropped more than a year ago by PL without explanation. I did >>>> see him after that and he did not offer any reason, so I left it at >>>> that. Just wander how many are left there on his list? >>>> Bulent "Buly" Aliev >>>> FXE Ft lauderdale, FL >>>> http://tinyurl.com/s5xw8 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 1:11 PM, John Downing wrote: >>>> >>>> > Thomas; My best guess is that he found out you are on this list. >>>> > JohnD >>>> > Temp is supposed to top 100 today, don't know how you guys >>>> > accomplish any >>>> > thing in the heat. >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Thomas y Reina Jakits" >>>> > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:41 PM >>>> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> If there is a "private" story about PL, pleeeease include me in the >>>> > mailing >>>> >> list! >>>> >> Still scratching my head for the reason of my demise from theeee >>>> >> list! >>>> >> >>>> >> Thomas Jakits >>>> >> rijakits@cwpanama.net >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> From: "Barber Law Firm" >>>> >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >>>> >> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:01 AM >>>> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> And if the scoop is giving to Dave privately, I hope to get the >>>> >>> scoop at >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> hangar in a few days. I am curious, I did not know there was a >>>> >>> falling >>>> >>> out, >>>> >>> even though, I can't say I am surprised. I was wondering if the >>>> >>> latest >>>> >>> comments about after market apex seals were directed at Mr. Crook >>>> >>> and >>>> > Mr. >>>> >>> Turintine. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> We, David and I, are still waiting for the Mistral intake to >>>> >>> arrive. We >>>> >>> were told it shipped last week (the week of the 17th, I think), >>>> >>> but it >>>> > is >>>> >>> coming from Geneva. (stay patient Chris) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> All the best, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Chris >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Christopher Barber >>>> >>> Attorney and Counselor at Law >>>> >>> >>>> >>> "Serving the needs of Senior Texans" >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Barber Law Firm >>>> >>> 10827 Tower Bridge St. >>>> >>> Houston, Texas 77075-5032 >>>> >>> 281-464-LAWS (5297) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> CBarber@TexasAttorney.net >>>> >>> www.TexasAttorney.net >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Texas >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>> >>> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On >>>> >>> Behalf Of David Staten >>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:43 AM >>>> >>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>> >>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Bill Eslick wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Had to leave Thursday AM, so missed Tracy completely, but there >>>> >>>> was a >>>> >>>> steady stream of people who were interested in the rotary engine. >>>> >>>> Lots of intelligent questions, and I mentioned Tracy's name a >>>> >>>> lot! I >>>> >>>> made the mistake of mentioning his name to P.L. though, >>>> >>>> and.....well >>>> >>>> that is another story to be shared off-line. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I'd love to hear the particulars... given that PL has yet to >>>> >>> build or >>>> >>> fly a rotary powered aircraft, and has ceased to provide any of the >>>> >>> manufacturing support that he once did provide. I dropped off his >>>> >>> list >>>> >>> right before Reno 05 and haven't really missed it. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Smooth flight up and back from Granbury, with one stop near Kansas >>>> >>>> City at Clay County airport. Self-service MOGAS for $2.90. I >>>> >>>> like to >>>> >>>> rub that in with my Lycosaurus friends! >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Thanks for the fuel tip.. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The engine runs so good now that I suspect the apex seal has been >>>> >>>> broken at least a year! This is an amazing engine design. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Bill Eslick >>>> >>>> www.weslick.com/RV6Index.htm >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> >>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> >>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >