Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #32647
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: - EWP Power
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:50:38 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sorry, George - the "Pizeo"  (more properly spelled Piezo)  ignition  was meant to be a joke.  But, some lawn mower systems do have a small Piezo electric type ignition.  This is the making use of the property of some crystals which if flexed will generate an electrical discharge.  The lighter on most gas Bar B Q grills are Piezo electric.  Sorry if my misspelling mislead you.
 
Ed
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Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:53 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: - EWP Power

 Ed,
What is a Pizeo EIS?
George ( down under)
Rich, good questions, but like many of the choices we in alternative engines face,  there is no yes/no, good/bad- just another risk factor  with pros and cons to consider.  I believe that there is some technical merit to using an electrical water pump such as reducing pumping HP losses, perhaps less weight, optimum coolant temp control, etc. . You could also factor in your water  pump current load into your overall power considerations and run with a larger battery to get you your minimum alternator-out time.  But, I must admit that I find the reliability and no need for attention mechanical pump preferable for myself.
 
Me?, I'm waiting for a pizeo electric ignition system and a  mechanical fuel pump and then I can throw the battery away  {:>).
 
 Ed
 
 
howe----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:02 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: - EWP Power

In a message dated 7/10/2006 11:43:35 AM Central Standard Time, jesse@jessfarr.com writes:
Have any of you ewp folks looked at CSR Performance products stuff? They
tell me they have a high volume pump that fits into some good looking
anodized aluminum housings for big block car stuff that will pump up to 70
gpm and is expected to last for 5500 hours or so; and, they have a remote
that is something like davies-craig that is also expected to last about 5500
hours and pumps around 35 to 37 gpm. They run in the $250 to $300 range,
supposedly use about 5 or 6 amps; and, I would like to learn from someone
else's experimentation, if possible. <g>
jofarr, soddy tn

http://www.csr-performance.com/
I have a potential safety question with using an electric pump, unless the engine is using a magneto.
 
The ignition system runs on battery/alternator power. If it and the FI are run by an ECU, it too needs power. The fuel pumps need electricity. There are other electric hungry mechanism that need power.
 
In an alternator/battery failure (short of having dual alt and batt) to have a water pump sucking 5 or more amps of power, this significantly shortens the available flight time before engine stoppage.
 
If the engine is magnitoed, when the electrons disappear and the pump stops, all that will happen is that the engine will fry---- The result will be the same
 
Rich
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