X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail19.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.200] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTPS id 1232908 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:54:10 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.200; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d58-108-68-39.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [58.108.68.39]) by mail19.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k6BLrKBr016742 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:53:21 +1000 Message-ID: <007901c6a534$6e0d84e0$27446c3a@george> From: "george lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: - EWP Power Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:53:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01C6A588.3F0CDA20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C6A588.3F0CDA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed,=20 What is a Pizeo EIS? George ( down under) Rich, good questions, but like many of the choices we in alternative = engines face, there is no yes/no, good/bad- just another risk factor = with pros and cons to consider. I believe that there is some technical = merit to using an electrical water pump such as reducing pumping HP = losses, perhaps less weight, optimum coolant temp control, etc. . You = could also factor in your water pump current load into your overall = power considerations and run with a larger battery to get you your = minimum alternator-out time. But, I must admit that I find the = reliability and no need for attention mechanical pump preferable for = myself. Me?, I'm waiting for a pizeo electric ignition system and a = mechanical fuel pump and then I can throw the battery away {:>). Ed howe----- Original Message -----=20 From: ARGOLDMAN@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:02 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: - EWP Power In a message dated 7/10/2006 11:43:35 AM Central Standard Time, = jesse@jessfarr.com writes: Have any of you ewp folks looked at CSR Performance products = stuff? They=20 tell me they have a high volume pump that fits into some good = looking=20 anodized aluminum housings for big block car stuff that will pump = up to 70=20 gpm and is expected to last for 5500 hours or so; and, they have a = remote=20 that is something like davies-craig that is also expected to last = about 5500=20 hours and pumps around 35 to 37 gpm. They run in the $250 to $300 = range,=20 supposedly use about 5 or 6 amps; and, I would like to learn from = someone=20 else's experimentation, if possible. jofarr, soddy tn http://www.csr-performance.com/=20 I have a potential safety question with using an electric pump, = unless the engine is using a magneto. The ignition system runs on battery/alternator power. If it and the = FI are run by an ECU, it too needs power. The fuel pumps need = electricity. There are other electric hungry mechanism that need power. In an alternator/battery failure (short of having dual alt and batt) = to have a water pump sucking 5 or more amps of power, this significantly = shortens the available flight time before engine stoppage. If the engine is magnitoed, when the electrons disappear and the = pump stops, all that will happen is that the engine will fry---- The = result will be the same Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C6A588.3F0CDA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Ed,
What is a Pizeo EIS?
George ( down under)
Rich, good questions, but like many of the choices = we in=20 alternative engines face,  there is no yes/no, good/bad- = just=20 another risk factor  with pros and cons to consider.  I = believe that=20 there is some technical merit to using an electrical water pump such = as=20 reducing pumping HP losses, perhaps less weight, optimum coolant temp = control,=20 etc. . You could also factor in your water  pump = current load=20 into your overall power considerations and run with a larger battery = to get=20 you your minimum alternator-out time.  But, I must admit that I = find the=20 reliability and no need for attention mechanical pump preferable for=20 myself.
 
Me?, I'm waiting for a pizeo = electric ignition=20 system and a  mechanical fuel pump and then I can throw the=20 battery away  {:>).
 
 Ed
 
 
howe----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ARGOLDMAN@aol.com
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 = 1:02=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: - = EWP=20 Power

In a message dated 7/10/2006 11:43:35 AM Central Standard Time, = jesse@jessfarr.com = writes:
Have any of=20 you ewp folks looked at CSR Performance products stuff? They =
tell me=20 they have a high volume pump that fits into some good looking =
anodized=20 aluminum housings for big block car stuff that will pump up to 70 =
gpm=20 and is expected to last for 5500 hours or so; and, they have a = remote=20
that is something like davies-craig that is also expected to = last=20 about 5500
hours and pumps around 35 to 37 gpm. They run in = the $250=20 to $300 range,
supposedly use about 5 or 6 amps; and, I would = like to=20 learn from someone
else's experimentation, if possible.=20 <g>
jofarr, soddy = tn

http://www.csr-performance.com/=20
I have a potential safety question with using an electric pump, = unless=20 the engine is using a magneto.
 
The ignition system runs on battery/alternator power. If it and = the FI=20 are run by an ECU, it too needs power. The fuel pumps need = electricity.=20 There are other electric hungry mechanism that need power.
 
In an alternator/battery failure (short of having dual alt and = batt) to=20 have a water pump sucking 5 or more amps of power, this = significantly=20 shortens the available flight time before engine stoppage.
 
If the engine is magnitoed, when the electrons disappear = and the=20 pump stops, all that will happen is that the engine will fry---- The = result=20 will be the same
 
Rich
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