X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.103] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTP id 1232202 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:55:48 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.103; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-111-186.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.111.186]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6BBt2gS004845 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701c6a4e0$d85f6d80$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: - EWP Power Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:55:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C6A4BF.510D6920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C6A4BF.510D6920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rich, good questions, but like many of the choices we in alternative = engines face, there is no yes/no, good/bad- just another risk factor = with pros and cons to consider. I believe that there is some technical = merit to using an electrical water pump such as reducing pumping HP = losses, perhaps less weight, optimum coolant temp control, etc. . You = could also factor in your water pump current load into your overall = power considerations and run with a larger battery to get you your = minimum alternator-out time. But, I must admit that I find the = reliability and no need for attention mechanical pump preferable for = myself. Me?, I'm waiting for a pizeo electric ignition system and a mechanical = fuel pump and then I can throw the battery away {:>). Ed howe----- Original Message -----=20 From: ARGOLDMAN@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:02 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: - EWP Power In a message dated 7/10/2006 11:43:35 AM Central Standard Time, = jesse@jessfarr.com writes: Have any of you ewp folks looked at CSR Performance products stuff? = They=20 tell me they have a high volume pump that fits into some good = looking=20 anodized aluminum housings for big block car stuff that will pump up = to 70=20 gpm and is expected to last for 5500 hours or so; and, they have a = remote=20 that is something like davies-craig that is also expected to last = about 5500=20 hours and pumps around 35 to 37 gpm. They run in the $250 to $300 = range,=20 supposedly use about 5 or 6 amps; and, I would like to learn from = someone=20 else's experimentation, if possible. jofarr, soddy tn http://www.csr-performance.com/=20 I have a potential safety question with using an electric pump, unless = the engine is using a magneto. The ignition system runs on battery/alternator power. If it and the FI = are run by an ECU, it too needs power. The fuel pumps need electricity. = There are other electric hungry mechanism that need power. In an alternator/battery failure (short of having dual alt and batt) = to have a water pump sucking 5 or more amps of power, this significantly = shortens the available flight time before engine stoppage. If the engine is magnitoed, when the electrons disappear and the pump = stops, all that will happen is that the engine will fry---- The result = will be the same Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C6A4BF.510D6920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rich, good questions, but like many of the choices = we in=20 alternative engines face,  there is no yes/no, good/bad- just = another=20 risk factor  with pros and cons to consider.  I believe that = there is=20 some technical merit to using an electrical water pump such as reducing = pumping=20 HP losses, perhaps less weight, optimum coolant temp control,=20 etc. . You could also factor in your water  pump current = load=20 into your overall power considerations and run with a larger battery to = get you=20 your minimum alternator-out time.  But, I must admit that I find = the=20 reliability and no need for attention mechanical pump preferable for=20 myself.
 
Me?, I'm waiting for a pizeo = electric ignition=20 system and a  mechanical fuel pump and then I can throw the=20 battery away  {:>).
 
 Ed
 
 
howe----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ARGOLDMAN@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 = 1:02=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: - EWP=20 Power

In a message dated 7/10/2006 11:43:35 AM Central Standard Time, = jesse@jessfarr.com = writes:
Have any of=20 you ewp folks looked at CSR Performance products stuff? They =
tell me=20 they have a high volume pump that fits into some good looking =
anodized=20 aluminum housings for big block car stuff that will pump up to 70 =
gpm=20 and is expected to last for 5500 hours or so; and, they have a = remote=20
that is something like davies-craig that is also expected to = last about=20 5500
hours and pumps around 35 to 37 gpm. They run in the $250 = to $300=20 range,
supposedly use about 5 or 6 amps; and, I would like to = learn from=20 someone
else's experimentation, if possible. = <g>
jofarr, soddy=20 tn

http://www.csr-performance.com/ =
I have a potential safety question with using an electric pump, = unless=20 the engine is using a magneto.
 
The ignition system runs on battery/alternator power. If it and = the FI=20 are run by an ECU, it too needs power. The fuel pumps need = electricity. There=20 are other electric hungry mechanism that need power.
 
In an alternator/battery failure (short of having dual alt and = batt) to=20 have a water pump sucking 5 or more amps of power, this significantly = shortens=20 the available flight time before engine stoppage.
 
If the engine is magnitoed, when the electrons disappear and = the=20 pump stops, all that will happen is that the engine will fry---- The = result=20 will be the same
 
Rich
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