X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail25.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.133.166] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTPS id 1231452 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:45:17 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.133.166; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d58-105-69-71.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [58.105.69.71]) by mail25.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k6ALiSjc003188 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:44:29 +1000 Message-ID: <002701c6a46a$0b758e60$4745693a@george> From: "george lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] EWP Power - Was: Re: Nothing to do with Rotary Engines, but.... Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:44:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thanks Bob, George ( down under) > I don't think so George. The power consumed by the mechanical is > around 2 hp. The electric wp is running around 1/4 hp max. This > difference is way to much to be attributed to any rating difference > between the two. The 2 hp was measured by Paul L at a pump speed of > 7000 rpm. > > My theory is the mechanical pump is designed to provide adequate cooling > on a hot day in stop an go traffic and as a result consumes more power > than required at high power. The power required by the pump increases > as the cube of the rpm, but the flow is proportional to rpm. So if the > engine goes from 800 rpm to 3000 rpm, the power used increases by a > factor of 50. My pump is drawing 12-13 amps at 14V or almost 1/4 hp. > I'm using a Mezerie pump. The Davies-Craig pump seems to produce > about the same flow with less current. > > I also think the EWP is somewhat marginal or inadequate for continuous > high power. The only data point I have for my system is that on a 60F > day with no cowling my oil and water temps stabilize at 190-200F up to > 4000 rpm or so. I ran it up to 6000 rpm for short periods of time and > the temps started creeping up. The one time I couldn't maintain those > temps was on a day when the wind was blowing 30 mph and I turned > downwind. I was taxiing about 10 or 15 and the temps started up > immediately. After turning back into the wind, temps were running > lower than normal. (so the WP doesn't do any good if there's no air > flow) :) > > I'm almost finished with the cowling work so I"m looking forward to > finding out how well it cools on a 90F day with the cowling on. That's > assuming I can get everything finished up before it turns cool again. :) > > Bob W. > > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:29:30 +1000 > "george lendich" wrote: > > > I'm wondering if any of this sort of information is relative > > (donkey reference aside) to use of electric water pumps and how they run with reduced HP but seemingly provided sufficient coolant transfer, even if they appear borderline power wise. > > > > George (down under) > > > -- > http://www.bob-white.com > N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (first engine start 1/7/06) > Custom Cables for your rotary installation - > http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/ > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/