X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao05.cox.net ([68.230.241.34] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1124330 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 May 2006 00:00:33 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.34; envelope-from=tonyslongez@cox.net Received: from fed1wml14.mgt.cox.net ([172.18.180.10]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060523035948.XOQT5347.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@fed1wml14.mgt.cox.net>; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:59:48 -0400 Message-ID: <22072914.1148356781368.JavaMail.root@fed1wml14.mgt.cox.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:59:41 -0700 From: To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Another case of heat-soaked coils? Cc: John Slade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal ---- John Slade wrote: > Yesterday I took a friend for a ride and the engine purred sweetly for > the entire trip. Looking back, the only thing different was that there > didn't seem to be an rpm drop when I disabled leading or trailing coils > during the runup. > > Today all was normal during runup (except perhaps the coil disable > causing no rpm drop) and full power got me 5300 before I couldn't hold > it any more on the brakes. Take-off and climb were normal. On the > downwind I was showing 5800 rpm so I decide to coursen the prop. When I > did I felt a splutter. I reduced throttle and the engine ran normally. I > increased throttle. More splutter. I reduced throttle and it ran > normally at 4600. Any more throttle and all I got was reduced power & > popping and spitting. I circled the field trying mixture adjustments, > checking fuel pressure on both pumps, coil & injector defeat and > swapping to B computer. Nothing seemed to make any difference, so I landed. > > The only change since the previous flight was that I'd replaced the > plugs with a clean set - not new - just clean. Suspecting a bad plug I > let the engine cool down a bit, then installed new ones. Later in the > day the engine ran fine during taxi and again reached 5300 on runup. > Acceleration seemed normal then, halfway through the takeoff roll, I > felt a splutter, so I aborted and rolled off the runway. > > When I added power to taxi clear of the runway the spitting got much > worse. So bad, in fact that it seemed to be running on one rotor and > there was insufficient thrust to move the plane forward. I tried > adjusting mixture and defeating injectors & coils again and the engine > eventually stopped. I was able to restart, but had the same symptoms. > The rpm was fairly steady at 1100 or so, but this was the max rpm I > could get. The EM2 was flip flopping rpm readings > 2300...400...2100..800...every couple of seconds. > > I called Tracy from right there on the taxiway. As always - he took the > call and listened to my unscientific whining. Thank you Tracy :) > Anyway, his best thought was that it sounded like it might be a coil > heat-soak problem. It definitely seems heat related, and my cowl has > been running a bit hotter since I installed the new T04 turbo. > > I pushed (yes pushed) the plane back to the hangar, then tried turning > the prop to feel all six compression strokes. To my untrained arm > muscles the compressions all felt the same. I ordered 4 new coils and > will report if this corrects the problem. Whether it does or not, I see > a separate air duct for the coils in my future. The blow tube I > installed may not be providing enough cooling. I once tried installing a > temp sensor at the coils, but this sent other EM2 temp readings haywire > - induced current from the ignition? - so unfortunately I don't have > temp readings on the coils. > > Anyone have additional thoughts on this? > How about those heat stickers? they use on the Rotorway helicopter gear boxes and such I guess if the sticker gets over a certain temp it changes color or something like that. Tony