X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.103] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1123176 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:16:27 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.103; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-111-186.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.111.186]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MDFfS3016220 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c67da1$eaf68930$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Rationalization was [FlyRotary] Re: Questions from a potential rotaryphile Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:16:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C67D80.639FC9E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C67D80.639FC9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageNo doubt some of that happening, Rusty. However, I believe, = there is plenty of objective evidence that says the rotary is comparable = or better than the Lycoming in just about any aspect you want to = consider. Even the Aviation Sport article supports that conclusion, even = if they did dwell on the fuel burn (and Noise {:>),being higher. Well = of course, the fuel consumption was higher - it was producing more = power and beating the lycoming power RV-8. =20 Now, the question is - was it a fair comparison? How would a more = conventionally ported rotary have stood up. I suspect the out come = would have been closer. I still believe that power, weight and fuel = consumption ends up basically a wash when comparing the two on those = features. There are other comparison areas where I think the rotary = more clearly distinguishes itself from the rotary. =20 we can produce as much (or more) power, installation weight is a wash, = fuel consumption comparable (if we are talking normal ports), certainly = cost less (even if you have to buy engine parts new), etc., etc. So no = doubt there is some rationalization- but I'm not certain over what? =20 =20 IF somebody would take the rotary and produce a reasonably price FWF = kit, I believe you would find the rotary installations would expand = exponentially. Most folks are understandably a bit daunted by the = challenge of designing and putting that all together on their on. If I had $50,000,000 to play with, if I would only buy a lottery ticket = ........{:>) But, good point, Rusty. We need to be careful that we don't fall into a = rationalization mode and instead let the rotary stand on its own merits = - which I think it certainly can. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Russell Duffy=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions from a potential rotaryphile I personally believe that a lot of folks just really don't want to = think they paid almost $30K for a Lycoming and a $4K rotary can beat it = =20 Hi Ed, I seem to hear more rationalization going on from alternative engine = folks, than Lycoming folks :-) =20 Rusty (just trying to keep the conversation lively ) ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C67D80.639FC9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
No doubt some of that happening, = Rusty.   However, I believe,  there is plenty of = objective=20 evidence that says the rotary is comparable or better than the Lycoming = in just=20 about any aspect you want to consider. Even the Aviation Sport = article=20 supports that conclusion, even if they did dwell on the fuel burn = (and=20 Noise {:>),being higher.  Well of course, the  fuel=20 consumption was higher - it was producing more power and beating the = lycoming=20 power RV-8. 
 
Now, the question is - was it a = fair=20 comparison?  How would a more conventionally ported rotary = have stood=20 up.  I suspect the out come would have been closer.  I = still=20 believe that power, weight and fuel consumption ends up basically a = wash=20 when comparing the two on those features.  There are=20 other comparison areas where I think the rotary more = clearly=20 distinguishes itself from the rotary.   
 
  we can produce as much = (or more)=20 power, installation weight is a wash, fuel consumption comparable (if we = are=20 talking normal ports), certainly cost less (even if you have to buy = engine parts=20 new), etc., etc.   So no doubt there is some rationalization- = but I'm=20 not certain over what? 
 
 
IF somebody would take the = rotary and=20 produce a reasonably price FWF kit, I believe you would find the rotary=20 installations would expand exponentially.  Most folks are = understandably a=20 bit daunted by the challenge of designing and  putting that all = together on=20 their on.
 
If I had $50,000,000 to play = with, if I=20 would only buy a lottery ticket ........{:>)
 
 
But, good point, Rusty.  We = need to be=20 careful that we don't fall into a rationalization mode and instead let = the=20 rotary stand on its own merits - which I think it certainly = can.
 
Ed
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Russell=20 Duffy
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:42 = AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Questions from a=20 potential rotaryphile

I personally believe = that a lot of=20 folks just really don't want to think they paid almost $30K for a = Lycoming and=20 a $4K rotary can beat it   
 
Hi Ed,
 
I seem to hear more rationalization going on from = alternative engine folks, than Lycoming folks=20 :-)  
 
Rusty (just trying to keep the conversation = lively=20 <g>)
 
 
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