X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.211] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1111833 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 13 May 2006 09:50:04 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.203.211; envelope-from=btilley@mchsi.com Received: from [192.168.1.101] (12-214-168-69.client.mchsi.com[12.214.168.69]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id <20060513134917m9100o2h7de>; Sat, 13 May 2006 13:49:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--430251909 Message-Id: From: Bob Tilley Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Emergency Checklist Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:49:16 -0400 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) --Apple-Mail-2--430251909 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Ed, Great write up, Thank You!!!!! Bob On May 10, 2006, at 11:59 PM, Ed Anderson wrote: > Having been there, done that - here are few suggestions, Al > > > 1. First thing, establish best glide speed > 2. Second thing, push NST button on GPS to locate nearest airfield > 3. Turn aircraft to heading of selected airfield showing on GPS =20 > (this so while you are messing around with other things you are =20 > also getting closer to a possible safe landing {:> ) Recommend the =20= > airfield that is downwind of your location (if distances are =20 > nearly the same between airfield choices) > 4. Announce on radio your predicament and intentions - don't end =20 > up in a long conversation, you've got other things to do, but at =20 > least somebody may hear you and can start a search in the right =20 > area - if heaven forbid -that should be come necessary. > > Don't wait to do these things else you could get so tied up in your =20= > trouble shooting that you may wait too late. > > 5. Determine if a fuel problem - if you have normal fuel pressure =20 > showing - the odds are its not a fuel associated problem but =20 > something else > If fuel pressure is down then > a. Turn on Boost pump > b. Select alternative fuel tank (learned that one the hard way) > c. Turn on Alternate EFI pump (if not already on) > if not a fuel problem then likely a controller or electrically =20 > associated problem (unlikely a leaking injector would cause the =20 > engine to quit - I had one that would stick wide open in flight and =20= > while you noticed the effect the engine did not stop running) > > 6. Select Alternate Controller B > 7. Check system voltage > 8. Switch to Alternative battery (if you have one) > 9. Reset any popped Circuit breaker > 10. Temporarily turn on the cold start switch (I had this actually =20 > give me approx 30 sec more engine run time although I am not =20 > certain why) > 11. At some point - STOP your trouble shooting efforts and =20 > concentrate on making the selected airfield. Land downwind if need =20= > be (depends of course on how much wind) > 12. Accomplish your pretouch down check list (gear down!, fuel =20 > selector off, master switch off before touch down) > > 13. At all times "FLY THE AIRCRAFT"!!! > > I'm sure others can add to the list > > Ed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Al Gietzen > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:10 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Emergency Checklist > > You=92ve got Tracy=92s EC2 and EM2. You=92re flying along and the = engine =20 > suddenly quits. After you establish glide, think about which way to =20= > head for possible landing =96 What=92s the first thing you do? Second =20= > thing? > > > Electrical still on > > > Possible failures: > > Fuel pump > > ECU > > One set of injectors out > > Fuel supply interrupted (broken/plugged) > > MAP sensor line broken (Would engine stop, or just get very rich?) > > ???? > > > I think: turn on backup pump and switch to controller B. Check =20 > for fuel pressure, if not, set up for landing. If so, try =20 > restart. No start, turn off one set of injectors. Still no start; =20= > switch to other set. Then ?? > > > Anyway, just thinking out loud. It would be helpful to see =20 > emergency checklists regarding engine issues from some of you guys =20 > flying. Tracy, you=92re first (well, you can decline). And maybe one =20= > of you other guys who has also chosen not to fly through the prop =20 > wash (Can=92t see whether prop turns or not). > > > Thanks, > > > Al > > > > > --Apple-Mail-2--430251909 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Ed,

Great write up, Thank = You!!!!!

Bob


On May 10, = 2006, at 11:59 PM, Ed Anderson wrote:

Having been there, done that -=A0here are few suggestions, = Al
=A0
=A0
1.=A0 First = thing, establish best glide speed
2. Second thing, push NST button on GPS to locate nearest = airfield
3. Turn = aircraft to heading of selected=A0=A0airfield showing on GPS (this so = while you are messing around with other things =A0you are also = getting closer to a possible safe landing = {:>=A0)=A0 Recommend the=A0airfield =A0that is downwind of your = location (if distances are nearly the same between airfield = choices)
4.=A0 Announce = on radio =A0your predicament and intentions - don't end up in a long = conversation, you've got other things to do, but at least somebody may = hear you and can start a search in the right area - if heaven forbid = -that should be come necessary.
=A0
Don't wait to = do these things else you could get so tied up in your trouble shooting = that you may wait too late.
=A0
5.=A0 = Determine if a fuel problem - if you have normal=A0fuel pressure showing = -=A0the odds are its not a fuel associated problem but something = else
=A0=A0 If fuel = pressure is down then
=A0=A0=A0 a.=A0 = Turn on Boost pump
=A0=A0=A0 b. = Select alternative fuel tank (learned that one the hard = way)
=A0=A0=A0 c.=A0 = Turn on Alternate EFI pump (if not=A0 already = on)
if not a fuel = problem then likely a controller or electrically associated problem = (unlikely a leaking injector would cause the engine to quit - I had one = that would stick wide open in flight and while you noticed the effect = the engine did not stop running)
=A0
6.=A0Select = Alternate Controller B
7.=A0 Check = system voltage
8. Switch to = Alternative battery (if you have one)
9. Reset any popped Circuit = breaker
10. = Temporarily turn on the cold start switch (I had this actually give me = approx 30 sec more engine run time although I am not certain = why)
11.=A0 At some = point - STOP your trouble shooting efforts and concentrate on making the = selected airfield.=A0 Land downwind if need be (depends of course on how = much wind)
12.=A0 = Accomplish your pretouch down check list (gear down!,=A0 =A0fuel = selector off, master switch off before touch = down)
=A0
13. At all = times "FLY THE AIRCRAFT"!!!
=A0
I'm sure = others can add to the list
=A0
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Emergency = Checklist

You=92ve got Tracy=92s EC2 and EM2. You=92re = flying along and the engine suddenly quits. After you establish glide, = think about which way to head for possible landing =96 What=92s the = first thing you do? Second thing?

=A0

Electrical still = on

=A0

Possible = failures:

Fuel = pump

One set of = injectors out

Fuel supply = interrupted (broken/plugged)

MAP sensor line broken (Would engine stop, or = just get very rich?)

=A0

I think:=A0 turn = on backup pump and switch to controller B.=A0 Check for fuel pressure, = if not, set up for landing.=A0 If so, try restart. =A0No start, turn off = one set of injectors.=A0 Still no start; switch to other set. Then = ??

=A0

Anyway, just = thinking out loud.=A0 It would be helpful to see emergency checklists = regarding engine issues from some of you guys flying.=A0 = Tracy, you=92re first = (well, you can decline). And maybe one of you other guys who has also = chosen not to fly through the prop wash (Can=92t see whether prop turns = or not).

=A0

=A0

=A0

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