Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #2891
From: Russell Duffy <13brv3@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: turbo wastegate requirements
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:17:38 -0500
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Of course you're right about residual boost with wastegate open.  My 30" take off would have to be done at partial throttle.  Am I correct in my inference that gradually closing the wastegate as I go higher and higher will minimize intercooler requirements and wear and tear on the turbo?  
 
I'm counting on not needing an intercooler using this same logic, so I guess we'll find out if my engine blows up.  It would also seem like it would save some wear on the turbo bearings by bypassing as much exhaust as you can, but I'm not sure how significant this would be.  
  
Additionally, I have put a 36" or so limit on MAP to safeguard the engine.  Does the turbo also have a boost limit?  If the turbo has, say, a 10" boost limit, then as ambient pressure dropped off, I would reach my turbo normalize limit at about 20" ambient or around 10k'.  What would the boost limits be on the Mazda stock turbo?  Are they a factor in normalizing to 15k' - 18k'?  
 
Take it away, Ed :-)   
 
Yes, turbos have limits, but this is the part of the turbo class that I'm not qualified to teach.  As I understand, each turbo unit has a "compressor map" that shows it's efficiency range as a function of absolute pressure, and airflow.  Absolute pressure is basically the boost that the turbo produces above ambient pressure, which is why I maintain that a traditional boost gauge is handy to have. 
 
My (over)simplified way of looking at this is- I'm using the same turbo as Mazda sized for this engine, so airflow, and boost needs to be kept in the same range that's been proven to be durable in the cars.   The difference is the duration of the boost, and the extremely free intake and exhaust systems that we have compared to a stock car, though many modified cars are in about the same situation.  I figure that guys can easily run 8 psi of boost on the street, so I should be able to do the same in the air.  8 psi gives me about 16 inches of mercury, which is 15-16 thousand feet of normalization.  That's plenty for me.  
 
Another thing to consider is just how much normalization you really need.  I don't think too many people are planning to cruise at full sea level power.  If you do, I hope you're flying a fuel tanker :-)  Let's just say that we'll use 75% like you would with a Lycosaur.  A NA Lycosaur can still produce 75%  power up to 8k ft, so our turbo only needs to make up the difference between 8k and whatever our max cruising altitude is.  Even at 18k ft, that's only 10k ft of normalization for cruise power, or 5psi (roughly).   I really wish I knew how much boost the 9.7 rotors would tolerate.  If 6 psi is safe, then I'd be tempted to just set the relief valve there, and try to adjust the throttle for 5 psi.  I suspect this will still be with a fully open wastegate.  Did I mention that I can't wait to actually try some of this stuff :-)
 
Rusty
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